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Napain@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

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  • Dadifer@lemmy.world
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    Paradox of Tolerance

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      The paradox of tolerance can only apply to actions though, otherwise you just become the intolerant one that should be ostracized.

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        No

        Saying shitty things doesn’t get you a free pass just because “it’s just words”

        Saying shitty things is an action, and demands appropriate counter action

        • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works
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          But speaking is an action. Thinking isn’t

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            Think what you want, but if you say or do shitty things, expect people to treat you like shit

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              Yeah - that’s what I meant…

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          And the appropriate counter action is also words.

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      We have to be tolerant to the intolerant, otherwise, who defines what tolerance is?

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        Removed by mod

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          Tolerating the intolerant is the price we have to pay to live in a just society.

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            • ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              That sounds pretty intolerant to me. Can you find the door by yourself?

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                • AlDente@sh.itjust.works
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                  Why should they leave? They haven’t said anything intolerant. You are being an asshole.

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                  I’m a hypocrite myself so I don’t mind much, but why should your rules apply to me if they don’t apply to you?

                  And also, great explanation. You could make a Ted talk, I’m sure.

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          • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
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          • Kata1yst@kbin.social
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            [Citation needed]

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        You really should read the article that Dadifer@lemmy.world posted (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,or%20destroyed%20by%20the%20intolerant.)

        The TL;DR is that in order to create a tolerant society, ironically, the only thing that cannot be tolerated is intolerance. The paradox comes from the idea that if intolerance is tolerated and allowed to gain any kind of a foothold then the society is no longer tolerant, but if we stamp it out and nip it at the bud then that’s also intolerant.

        However, the paradox obviously has one preferred outcome which is that intolerance of intolerance is the only way to maintain a (mostly) tolerant society. The other option is letting the Nazis win.

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          This isn’t an axiom. It’s just Karl Popper’s opinion. One of the few times the paradox of intolerance was actually invoked in a legal setting was in Communist Party of Germany v. the Federal Republic of Germany

          The German federal government had petitioned for the Communist Party to be banned in 1952 on the basis that the party’s revolutionary practice means “the impairment or the abolition of the fundamental liberal democratic order in the Federal Republic”. Following hearings, the Federal Constitutional Court ordered in 1956 that the party be dissolved and its assets confiscated, and banned the creation of substitute organizations.

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        Is this… is this satire?

        • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
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          It’s blatant troll bait is what it is.

          Why don’t mods delete this stuff?

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