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Microsoft doesn’t understand consent, not to mention user agency.
Jesus dude
Update and shutdown?
What about update and I let your pc on all night without your knowledge?
God I forgot about that. Windows makes me so mad.
Wait, there are people whose computers actually shutdown when Update and Shutdown is selected? I swear I’ve never had that happen since 2 or 3 years ago, and everything since has always restarted my devices.
Yeah, that was the same thing with me and my windows machines for years (i think I remember it working properly at one point though). I heard they recently fixed it though.
Considering the fact that most home users would never ever update their PCs unless forced too and then complain about a virus they got. It kinda makes sense to force people to update.
The same applies in any professional environment. Not forcing updates to clients in a professional environment is very stupid and will land you in trouble sooner or later.
I still can’t get over the fact that there’s just no way to prevent Windows 11 home edition from ever rebooting automatically.
Because non-techy users would use that feature and then complain to Microsoft when their OS gets malware or breaks.
I think you’re right but I wouldn’t be surprised at all by an angry “akshually…” reply in the near future. I’ve had multiple users claim they’re windows gurus and have literally never had an automatic reboot happen to them
Windows does a lot of sneaky reboots that it doesn’t notify about before or after. I dualboot and windows is not the default OS, so when I leave windows running and come back to linux, I know what happened.
Oh no, you cant be more wrong OP, what windows actually does is wait till you really need the PC for something. A presentation, your PhD defense, taking data in a flashdrive before leaving to catch a train.
Yeaaahhhh, i’m a disagree with this one a little.
It goes like that until the update changes the kernel version and breaks a video driver. I mean, it’s a lot rarer than it used to be, but our arcade box at work just got hit with it.
Windows usual fail mode (which is often) is update won’t process so it wastes an hour of your time a bunch of times and either justs starts working or requires you to dig into it and either run it manually, or clear up some cache.
Windows not booting into a gui on an update is pretty rare.
Homie, if a kernel update breaks something you can just boot back into the older kernel from grub. It literally only takes the time to reboot the computer.
Until you roll back and shits broken now because the new kernel was a requirement on other shit that was in the update.
For my own shit, I’m running nixos, so when I roll back, every app that just got updated rolls back, perfect recovery, but that doesn’t work for most.
As far as the pop-os that broke the other day, I’m more than capable of depsolving and fixing it, but it’s not ideal.
My (very barebones) linux desktop has no way to ask me, it’s been removed.
Nah.
Just returned to Debian after a few years away.
My previous distro would serve me warnings twice a day that updates were available.
But Debian?
“The machine is up and running. Now it’s your duty to check for updates. And install the programs you may need. Set things up as you want it. If you want it.”
I’m sure you could set up a cronjob to launch a script that checks for updates and sends some notification about it
I could, if I wanted to. Running a weekly check for updates is more than enough for me.
Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour unattended-upgrades?
The head-to-head comparison between the update user experience is so incredibly lopsided against Windows, that it kind of seems silly.
I bet if both have a big yearly update, I could format and install an entire fresh copy of the linux distro before the windows machine would be usable.
unattended-upgrades
Yes, but be sure to exclude certain services on servers and monitor the remaining pending upgrades.
Not quite true on my Ubuntu system. It offers to update stuff every 2 weeks (slowest time that isn’t “never”), and then wants a reboot at the end…
Fuck that reboot. It’s almost never necessary under Linux. Unnecessary, forced reboots in Windows are one of the last straws that made me fully switch my last remaining Windows system over to Linux.
At least it lets me reboot on my own time… But it is seemingly required to update some packages.
IMO they’re just being lazy. If you just reboot you don’t have to worry about resolving the dependencies for things you upgraded.
That’s some Crowdstrike.
With the latest windows 11 update they broke the shutdown feature
h o w
Some PM: “it’s Patch Tuesday, we must push the monthly update or the users will revolt, push it at exactly 10:00!”
“But we didn’t finish the tests!”
PM: “Push. It. Right. Now.”
One can still shutdown, but it requires going into the spooky, scary terminal.
