Agents use facial recognition, social media monitoring and other tech tools not only to identify undocumented immigrants but also to track protesters, current and former officials said.

  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    If you think that any nation-state with the money to implement this shit isn’t doing it already, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Surveillance is a matter of power and maintaining it, far more than any ideological thing. There are already people being caught by this sort of shit in the UK and Europe as well.

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      Those are fascist states too. You can’t make use of this kind of technology and still claim to be the good guys. Fascisms not a left or right thing, both sides of the aisle can slide into that kind of behavior.

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          I did some reading, it seems I had a misunderstanding of some of the finer details. Perhaps authoritarian or totalitarianism are better terms? I’m not sure, but regardless, I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism couldn’t be employed by the political left, which I guess is the point I was originally getting at.

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            If the left employed fascist tactics then they stop being the left.

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            I fail to see how many of the tactics of fascism

            Leftism overtly opposes the tools of fascism: sexism, racism, imperialism, nationalism, etc.

            Maybe you should more reading before posting about this topic.

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              Except left-wing nationalism is a thing that exists. And those aren’t the only tools of fascism. Fascists are known to control mass media, but thats not inherently a right wing thing. Corruption and cronyism aren’t mutually exclusive to the right. Military supremacy isn’t inherently right wing. What am I missing here?

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          No, it’s in principle undetermined in ideology. Historical ones, even Stalin or Pol Pot variants, were rather right wing. But the only principles really important for any kind of fascism are violence, anti-rationalism and amorphous ideology.

          EDIT: What I mean is that fascism is that “third way”, not left-wing or right-wing. And has made situational alliances with things from both. That was its main difference from old conservatives in the beginning of XX century.

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              Non-leftist doesn’t equal right-wing. Anarcho-capitalism is right-wing, but opposite from fascism.

              Fascism requires no logical structure and no coherence in ideology. It requires the ideology to be bendable all ways each moment for each different situation. Which, well, is natural for an ideology reliant upon violence and emotion above all.

              That leftists try to mix fascism and normal conservatism is a purely leftist sexual problem, that doesn’t concern others until leftists pretend it’s commonly accepted.

              Then, of course, when most of the “revolutionary” competition is leftist, fascism becomes anti-leftist and allies right-wing forces.

              But also Nazi and Soviet propaganda on the British Empire were amazingly similar in archetypes and emotion. Which would be a rare case of “fascism against right-wing forces”.

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                Anarcho-capitalism is right-wing, but opposite from fascism.

                Only in terms of talking the talk. In practice, ancaps who get power quickly go full fasc.

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            No it’s not entirely clearly defined. But a few elements appear in all of them: Anti- communism/socialism, dictator, far-right idiologies, nationalism…

            I wouldn’t say any if these are desired by leftism, or rather opposites.

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        Authoritarianism applies to both sides, and the middle. Fascism is a right wing authoritarian ideology.