Eg - what is required to be saved?

Is it solely faith - saying something like the Sinner’s Prayer and “giving your heart to Jesus”? Or do works/sacraments matter? Or is there universal reconciliation?

What about those who die in ignorance of Jesus and don’t get the opportunity?

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    8 days ago

    Have you ever considered that God is perfectly Just? That anything less than justice and letting sin go unpunished is incompatible with Him?

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            Apart from a slightly shorter lifespan, what fid Hitler get for the millions he killed? What about those in more recent times who murdered innocent protesters in the USA? Will they ever face justice? Deep inside, the majority of people feel a wrath against these people, those who senselessly killed and/or hurt other people. Human society from all across the world has always attempted some form of justice or judgment system. Justice is something that we all feel needs to be quenched somehow. It’s the same as how would you define love- it’s not observable, it’s not provable, it’s not material, but you can still see the effects love has on a society. The Bible speaks about God’s wrath a lot- and His craving for Justice. That He will deliver it. A god without Justice is a pushover and not a perfect God at all. If you saw a society where people were hurting each other, and the King presiding over it refused to punish anyone because “I’m a loving King no good loving King would punish his subjects” would you say that was a good King?

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              That didn’t answer either question, and just creates more.

              Why are earthly human developments an argument for the nature of God? Why would the label of “pushover” apply or matter to a supreme being? Why the assumption that punishment is just? Do you think a king who punishes broadly and severely for minor offenses is a good king?

              You seem to have confused justice for vengeance. Humans certainly have an appetite for vengeance, that can’t be denied. But how does vengeance right wrongs?

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                7 days ago

                Romans 12:19

                Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

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                  7 days ago

                  Eh, I’ve got problems with Paul.

                  But even then, the verse suggests it’s not our place to dispense justice. Nor do I think that divine justice would be recognizable to humans.

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                    Eh, I’ve got problems with Paul.

                    This community is centred on Christianity, which accepts the Bible as the universally infallible scripture. Paul wrote a good portion of it. So dismissing Paul, who was personally chosen and appointed by Jesus on the road to Damascus, doesn’t work in a Christianity-centred discourse.

                    The only reason people who may linger within Christian circles do reject the authority of Paul from what I can tell is just because their carnal desires go against what he writes. Such a thing is called eisegesis - only reading the Bible through your cultural lens first and letting your culture hold authority over the Bible. Eisegesis has no place in Christian discourse.