cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7760707
“Death to Germany because they say their reason for existing is to support ‘Israel’[1]? That’s genocidal against Germans.”
Sorry, but I don’t care about your colonizer fragility.
Not a joke, they call this “Staatsräson”. ↩︎
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“Death to America? Uhh that’s literally a call for genocide you crazy tankie”
It takes a lot of restraint to not just respond with “hell yeah I support the white genocide”, but I don’t want to read a thousand “see, you’re genocidal” smug replies from people who think white genocide is real.
Most of them don’t even think it’s real, yet will happily promote the idea. See False Witnesses, an article in the ”Brainwashing” series.
As far as I know, Israel’s stance is that because Jews inhabited Israel before the Arab Palestinian “invaders,” they’re completely justified in exterminating them to take back their homeland.
If we assume that Israel’s stance is “correct,” doesn’t it logically follow that every other country is completely justified in exterminating Jews because they’re “invaders” to everywhere but Israel?
If that’s not antisemitic I don’t know what is.
Or, if the assertion is that every country should accept and accommodate Jews (which is the correct assertion obviously), why are Jews in Israel not held to the same standard regarding Palestinians?
If we assume that Israel’s stance is “correct,”
It’s also worth noting (I’m sure you’re aware of this) that it’s completely false. Palestinians were Arabized, they were there before Arabs and then became Arabs and are even party descendants of the Jews who remained in the region. They are native to Palestine and Ashkenazim are not (they are Europeans). The most important early zionists such as Herzl and Ben Gurion were very aware of this when they openly described their project as colonialism.
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As a Native American I fully support this meme.
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Out of curiosity. If your home was stolen by government backed militia death squads and you and your family were put in concentration camps before being shipped to an open air prison. If then those same militiamen were to routinely encroach on the prison to continue to beat, rape and murder men women and children with impunity while they continue to steal land and at the same time your children were tries in military court for throwing rocks at the prison wall would you not join the resistance?
If you were a slave would you not strike a blow to kill your master and gain your freedom?
Acting like the violence the oppressors inflict upon the oppressed and the liberatory violence the oppressed must use to free themselves is the same is peak colonial mentality and you should really do some introspection
Acting like the violence the oppressors inflict upon the oppressed and the liberatory violence the oppressed must use to free themselves is the same is peak colonial mentality and you should really do some introspection
This should be the first things a lot of lemmitors read in the morning and the last thing they read before sleeping. A lot of westerners in general, in fact.
Whenever “discourse” like this comes up I am reminded of a specific clip of Kwame Ture. In it some white lib tries to catch him out with some bs gotcha about leftwing or liberatory violence I don’t remember exactly. Ture responds along the lines of:
If you were a slave would you not strike a blow to kill your master and gain your freedom?
The guy is visibly embarrassed. Which always makes me think that most of these people know (at least deep down) that liberatory and oppressive violence are fundamentally different but they also realise they are part of the oppressors so to accept this is to accept that violence against them can be justified. Which is a scary thought.
every critic to Israel will be seen as antisemitism.
And that’s more important than palestinian lives?
When you are accused of antisemitism you may lose your job so it could silence a lot of people
The full quote was: “However what can Germany as a country do? Basically nothing, every critic to Israel will be seen as antisemitism.” They are not talking about individuals but the country.
Most of us don’t like violence, believe me, we’d love it if the settlers stopped the genocide, returned the stolen homes, paid reparations and helped rebuild the place, etc. The problem is that Israel is incapable and unwilling of any of this, they keep stealing homes to this day and they won’t stop until they have all the land or until the international community makes them stop.
Hamas is a national liberation movement. If Palestinians were treated as people it’d have never gotten this bad, but it’s the logical reaction when you dehumanize people, dismantle their less extreme organizations and keep killing children. Have you never seen that? They kill the children. Of course people will grab guns and try to protect their community. I know a guy (not close to him) who lost about thirty relatives just months after October 7, imagine losing branches of your family tree because they decided to conduct an extermination campaign against you for being part of an ethnic group.
This situation isn’t complicated at all. There are people who we’ve been taught to see as non-human, who are being genocided as we speak. They’re not any less human than you or me. And no matter how misleading the media is in their framing, Palestinians deserve their freedom, their children deserve to be alive long enough to grow and build their own lives, all of them deserve peace and respect, bodily autonomy and sovereignty. And the solution to violence is never genocide.
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“Listen we can’t stop doing genocide because people might call us antisemites.”
These are the ideological titans of German liberalism. The vanguard of feddit.org.
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This makes me think of the image of Spongebob with a German flag pin looking smug straightening out a nameplate in front of him labeled “#1 Genocide Understander”. I can’t find it now, lol.
Thank you, lol.
What a truly unhinged comment that was. This guy should really think long and hard about Rule 1 and take all the other civil and nice replies here as an example on how to behave on lemmy.ml.
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In communist lemmy you can’t even spread easily disproven propaganda 😡😡😡
Lmao you’re the exact mirror image of right wingers talking about white genocide in South Africa
