The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.”

Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.

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    Iranian soldiers operated the drones sent by a demand of a genocidal ethnostate to bomb Ukraine. This is not giving instructions, this is participation in the war.

    Now, because of involvement of these chaps, Ukraine has a technology that is in high demand in the world, for whatever reason. It’s very single cellular to assume that the technology is not scalable, and that literally every person who can be involved in scaling of a technology must be digging trench somewhere in Donetsk.

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      Zelensky supports nazis and child fukers and child killers. Means in retrograde it was a right choice by Iran

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      Talking about a genocidal ethnostate is pretty rich in a thread defending Israel and its allies

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        Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.

        But it’s they are not the only one committing genocide, and your mates from around here are making it very weird turning people suffering into genocide Olympics.

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          Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.

          Okay, so we can agree that Israel and the US are evil.

          So. What does it say about Ukraine that they are on the same side?

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            This is not some comic book battle between good and evil, it is perfectly possible for both USA, Israel and Russia to be evil, they are all expansionist imperial entities currently engaging in imperial land grabs. I would say they are all evil.

            Ukraine and Iran were just minding their own business when the imperialists attacked. USA, Russia and Israel are all on the same shitty side of the coin. The rest of the world hates the lot of them.

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              Ukraine had a fascist coup and their government was literally chosen by the US imperialists.
              After that they started killing 14000 ethnic Russians in the east who wanted nothing to do with these nazis.
              It’s perfectly possible for all the parties to be evil.
              Many things wrong with Putin, imperialism is not one of them.
              Pretty hard to mind your own business when NATO keeps expanding and they would’ve placed nukes on their border, too close to defend against.
              How would the US like it if Russia couped Mexico and put nukes in Tijuana?

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                Ukraine had a fascist coup

                I must have missed that one, maybe one man’s popular revolution is another man’s fascist coup. The numbers who participated in the protests turned revolution in Ukraine in 2014 are estimated at between 400,000-800,000.

                You call it a fascist coup but how come power has peacefully and democratically changed hands 3 times since? Doesn’t really make sense now does it buddy? Now, how many times has power changed hands in Russia in the same timeframe?

                You are peddling the same tired talking points from 4 years ago, even Putin and his stooges have stopped using them because they sound ridiculous. The biggest cause of NATO expansion is Russia’s belligerence, where it not for this war, Finland and Sweden would never have joined NATO.

                Many things wrong with Putin, imperialism is not one of them.

                Just because his imperialism doesn’t bother you it doesn’t make his imperialism ok, I am definitely against it.

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                  Totally not fascist, right.
                  Hanging cool flags in parliament to celebrate on the right, their sponsors on the left.
                  Somehow they didn’t show that on the news in our free and democratic west and with its objective reporting.
                  Maybe you missed the Nuland-Pyatt call too where the US literally orders who would be in their government.
                  Democratic and normal education these days, no nazis in ukraine because one of manyfascist batalions changed their logo a bit and magically stopped being nazis .
                  You are peddling the same tired nazi whitewashing talking points.
                  How come your beloved 3 democratic governments never stopped murdering civilians in the east or honored the accords?
                  Wouldn’t be because no matter what puppet they have they still do what the master tells them to do, die for the USSA to own the Russians. Russia expanded nowhere and and the claims of imperialism are fiction to suit your narrative.

                  This proxy war has backfired gigantically and helped expediate the decline of the US, made Russia stronger and forged alliances between many countries that don’t bend to the tirants will.
                  So that’s great news besides the many deaths.
                  I’m glad the US is circling the drain and losing power rapidly everywhere.
                  And now making another dumb mistake taking on Iran.
                  So you can keep on defending ukronazis, the good friends of shitraeli babykillers and US babykillers , nothing you say or think will change that.
                  But maybe it helps you sleep at night,

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              It’s impossible to fight the entire world all at once. I say we choose the lesser evil.

              It’s how you vote anyway, right? Why not just apply that on a larger scale?

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                Your comment implies that it is a binary choice. Lesser evil between the USA, Israel and Russia is a difficult shout, there is a cigarette paper between the three.

                The three are also not the same, the USA is a far bigger threat to the world due to its military and financial might. Russia and Israel are not eating at the same table. It could probably be argued that they have the most twisted world views of the players here and I am very glad they are not in the conversation. China and the EU are the only other potentially global players. The EU are the USA’s yes men who have been greatly upset to recently be told this reality to their face. China look to be an alternative but when you peel back the veneer they are closer to the USA in their set up than most people would care to admit.

                The lesser evil one is a difficult argument to make, do you believe if either Israel or Russia occupied the USA’s position as global hegemon that they would be better or worse?

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                  My comment implies there is a primary contradiction, and the choice is between US hegemony and multipolarity.

                  There is an empire, and only once it is destroyed can we even begin dealing with any of the lesser contradictions.

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      Russia is not a genocidal ethnostate. Go look at the percentage of civilian casualties in the Ukraine war and the percentage in Gaza and then learn what terms mean. Russia does commit “war crimes” (whatever that word means nowadays) but they are most certainly not committing genocide.

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        Well they have been force-adopting ukranian chilfren into Russia, no? I am sure i read something about that. Not as cruel but still genocide i guess?

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            We really don’t need to make Israel and the USA look worse here, they are achieving that on their own. I was solely talking about the claim of Russia not commiting genocide at all. There has been a bunch of reports on stuff happening in the occupied territories, i’d be carefull protecting them from genocide allegations.

            I also really don’t want to take up a huge-ass discussion over this in a random forum over text.

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      Funny that you think the Ukrainian startup model is scalable. Neither is the USonian drone program. Iran could kill every US soldier allegedly being deployed with a single drone each and it wouldn’t even cut into their stockpile.