Are we? I’m looking to buy a car and I think gas cars make the most sense even now, because the change in the price of gas seems like a relatively small part of the cost of car ownership. A one dollar increase in the cost of a gallon of gas works out to about $300 a year in extra costs for me. That’s not enough to tip the balance towards an electric car.
For reference, I’m comparing a Hyundai Elantra N to a Tesla Model 3 - the Hyundai costs as much as the base Tesla at about $36.5k, but to get similar performance you’d need the $42.5k premium Tesla, and that price difference pays for enough gas to go 40,000 miles.
I mean, I’ve wanted one for awhile, just haven’t had money. Still don’t, but haven’t as well.
I’ve got an outlet in the garage in the perfect spot, too.
That’s the beauty of it, now that the oil-ligarchy has defunded alternate energy and removed tax incentives, the companies responded by reversing 2 decades of development and finally getting hybrids and evs common in us automakers.
Now that electric is off the menu, and protectionism is back on, it means the places those cars are being made and made well–like china–americans simply won’t even know about them or be able to buy them as they’ll be tariffed out of existence.
Triple win for the oil-ligarchy
I just want to point out one thing.
It’s pretty difficult to on one hand be like “we should all adopt electric cars” and on the other hand also be “against the state or private entities tracking the citizenry”. If you don’t know that all the new cars including the new electric vehicles are spying on their occupants you haven’t been paying attention.
On top of that a lot of Americans are realizing they can’t afford a vehicle at all. The subsidies for buying a new electric vehicle have gone up in smoke. So people who already can’t afford a vehicle aren’t gonna be able to buy an EV without the tax credits.
Combine the two problems and you’re just not going to get the results you want.
You might be able to sell me on a dumb electric vehicle. No manufacturer is selling that in the US, and even if they did try, the safety features required by law make it basically an impossibility.
I mean… The main reason is people don’t have money for a new car. Also the electrical infrastructure in this country is not ready for everyone to go electric.
The gas and oil industries have paid TONS of money to keep people locked into gas vehicles.
Once again, the rich continue to fuck the rest of us.
Also the electrical infrastructure in this country is not ready for everyone to go electric.
You’re repeating big oil talking points. We improve the grid all the time, we can continue to do it. Sure if all cars were magically converted into EVs tomorrow we would have big problems, but that’s not how the real world works.
If the grid actually was about to fall over because of a few more EVs, these datacenters spinning up all over the place would be even bigger disasters than they already are.
Got news for you with the Datacenters…
I’m not using big oil talking points. I’m saying in reality, because of the damage that big oil has done to keep us from going electric, the infrastructure is not currently there.
They’ve paid money to keep us from expanding our grid. They are saying it won’t work because they are making sure it doesn’t.
I completely agree with you that I think it is absolutely possible, but there are bigger things blocking the way.
By repeating their talking points, you are arguing that we should slow EV adoption. You are literally doing their work for them. At least if you worked for BP you could cash a pay check, you’re out here working for them for free.
My dude is that what I said?
I am very anti-big oil. I also acknowledge the fact that big oil has fucked us.
I think if we can break away from their stranglehold on the industry, we can expand our grid and make EV happen. We also have a very large country with nothing in the middle. There are states without any electric chargers installed. It’s a very big hurdle.
I never said we should slow EV adoption. If anything, I think they need to give everybody an electric car for free and make solar panels standard everywhere. But that’s not going to happen because of capitalism.
Name one state with no EV chargers.
Fuck y’all are so fucking pedantic.
Okay, maybe every fucking state has a charger. But some places have not expanded, especially to rural areas.
Jesus fucking Christ. Y’all can’t read extrapolation.
Never comment on anything on the internet. Fucking assholes like y’all chase down every goddamn word.
Okay, maybe every fucking state has a charger. But some places have not expanded, especially to rural areas.
This is a US map of dots. The dots are charger stations, not individual chargers.
Yeah, you should probably mean what you say and say what you mean when having a conversation. You have no idea what the current state of ev charging infrastructure looks like, but you’re still acting like an expert.
There are states without any electric chargers installed
So now you’re just lying, maybe I was wrong and you are getting paid to post this.
You could also be like James May, who daily drives an EV and has a hydrogen car. And also states that the charging takes too long and it’s not convenient for, say, younger people who cannot afford a house. So anyone under 40 these days.
I’d absolutely get an EV for a daily. But not at the apartment I live at. I literally cannot charge it at home and you’d be wrong if you think I’d go out of my way to have to plan to charge it for longer than it takes to just put gas in an internal combustion car.
You can be critical of something that you want to succeed. I’m probably most critical of things I enjoy, because I know a lot of them can be better.
EV adoption should be increasing, especially for normal daily driver cars. It’ll let the weekend cars live longer as well. Win win.
This is only fresh in my mind because James put out a video, quite literally yesterday, explaining what he does and does not like about his Model 3.
You’ll notice I did not argue against that point at all, not having charging at home is a huge downside and would play a big part in if someone should buy an EV or not.
“OuR gRiD cAN’T taKE iT” on the other hand is not a valid argument
What would happen if multiple people plugged in toasters every morning at breakfast time? ANARCHY.
Yes, agreed. That grid nonsense is something you see parroted by people who would never, ever drive an EV in the first place.
In the words of Gene Wilder, “You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.”
Yes, you are. The grid is in no way blocking you. You are repeating propaganda.
As the other guy/girl said, only if everyone switched from one day to the other, you’d have a temporary problem.
How many data centers do you think you need to power a car?
Stop repeating big oil talking points
And also don’t forget charging stations don’t exist, and vast majority of people who live in higher density housing have zero way of charging at home.
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