• Hypx@kbin.social
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    Even better, look into non-BEV choices. Hydrogen cars are now a thing. But people are just weirdly desiring of a BEV monopoly, with themselves as the ultimate loser.

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      Why would you want a hydrogen car and still be dependent on gas stations? I’d rather just charge at home using solar panels.

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        Also, Hydrogen is notoriously hard to nail down in the sourcing - Green is great, blue not so much as it means there’s more fossil fuel production somewhere in it’s creation. This has led to Denmark pulling back on it’s investment in hydrogen infrastructure and closing it’s stations. https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport/hydrogen-vehicles-in-denmark-left-without-fuel-as-all-commercial-refuelling-stations-shuttered/2-1-1519914

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        Perhaps people who only have on street parking, and therefore find it difficult/impossible to charge at home.

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          Maybe it depends on where you live, but plenty of city street parking with a charger here, not as cheap as using your own solar energy, but still pretty cheap compared to gasoline.

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            I live in East London. There’s are quite a few chargers. There certainly aren’t ‘plenty’ in the context of a large-scale switch from petrol/diesel.

            Certainly not entire me to get a plug-in yet

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        Hydrogen is made from water. It too can be made from solar panels. Though probably from some kind of more centralized system than everyone with their own solar panels.

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          yeah the reason you’re getting these downvotes:

          water is made of hydrogen and oxygen. it can be split through electrolysis into it’s components through the addition of electricity.

          if baseband solar had the capacity you could power electrolysis production of hydrogen and it’s been proposed in a few places where solar is cheap and land is available.

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            yeah science bitches! I honestly had a whole rant fucking raving about how stupid someone could possibly be to think that ‘hydrogen is made from water’ but walked the dog before replying and let it just go.

            I do weep for our future though, because goddamn, I’m a fucking moron. So if I’m the one dishing science to the chuds… we’re all fucked

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              Perhaps you should have considered they don’t speak English. Consider these phrases. “Hydrogen is made from water.” “Hydrogen can be produced from water.” “It too can be made using solar panels.” “It can also be produced using solar panels.” Syntactically, both sets are very similar, but have very different meanings.

              Sometimes we need to take a step back and see if there’s a legitimate reason people say or do certain things instead of assuming everyone is hopelessly stupid.

              *I don’t know if they speak English as a first language, a second, or at all. But just given the odd phrasing, I suspect it was fed through a translator. And Lemmy is more diverse than some other social platforms.

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                perhaps! I can be a judgemental asshole. But I also figured after the first dozen other people downvoted them I’d at least mention it.

                edit: no, looking at their post history, I think they have a fine grasp on english, just not basic physics or chemistry.

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                    so you jumped to assume I was the asshole because you lacked complete data.

                    I see there’s lots of that going around so I’ll try to treat you with the kindness and respect you deserve.

                    UNLIKE MR “Hydrogen is made from water. It too can be made from solar panels.”

                    tsk tsk tsk :D

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                Applesauce is made from apples in the same way hydrogen is made from water.

                I appreciate your advocacy for a generous interpretation but I see nothing wrong with the claim hydrogen is made from water.

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              Wait til they find out about dihydrogen monoxide AKA the drink that 100% of people have and eventually die

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        They are aiming to ban all alternatives, or create subsidies in such way that only one idea can exist. That is consistently with a monopoly.

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          No, it’s not. A monopoly is a market situation in which a single entity controls the supply of a product or service. A government can be a monopolist. For instance in many countries the government owns the railway company.

          You’re describing regulation. That’s a whole different topic.

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            Then you may prefer something like oligopoly. The goal is to have just a few companies that only make one type of car with no other options. Cost of transportation will go much higher. The conclusion is still the same: very little or no consumer choices.

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                It’s still something pretty close to a government mandated monopoly. Hell, most Tesla fanboys want literally just Tesla owning the entire car industry. And the Chinese car companies are all being controlled by the Chinese government. It’s closer to being one company than you think.