Obviously China is going to look bad if you consider western liberal democracy and free market capitalism to be objectively good things and have them as the standards by which you judge the political-economic systems of global south countries.
If you’re judging China based on how similar it is to Western European countries then you’re not going to like it.
I met a white American guy that lives in China over the weekend, he was awesome. No real story about it, yes he said he can speak mandarin and he had the friggin cutest little half Chinese baby with his wife. Shoutout Paul
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The US has set the bar pretty low. It would take tremendous effort to look worse than USA under Trump extremist leadership.
Finally, a half-decent meme about something I agree with. Thank you for making a not dogshit meme like half of the communists on this forum lmao
I lived in china for 4 years, got out of the expat bubble, lived in smaller cities and I gotta say, for people that have never been to china or actually been friends with Chinese people, y’all are pretty allergic to any criticism, no matter how legitimate, of china. Maybe take a step back from YOUR OWN biases and be a little objective. There are great things about china. There are bad things about china. No country’s perfect
Quite the impressive straw man you’ve built here. At risk of falling into a no true Scotsman, I have never seen anyone on here even approach implying China is perfect simply that criticism should be situated within the proper context of material reality and pushing back on the unfortunate tidlewave of nonsense many people seem to believe is true and valid criticism.
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You haven’t been the discourses I have. All my previous comment is based on firsthand experience right here on lemmy.
Bullshit, bring receipts
That comment makes me question your other experiences.
So’s mine, and my experience says you’re lying about your experience
Imagine someone having a different experience than you. The shock and horror.
Might it have anything to do with your demeanor, disposition, actions and words?
Idk, I’ve been much more civil than you. Probably has to do with the fact my views on china aren’t as rosy as the sinophiles here on lemmy. Usually goes something like this “Idk man, there’s a lot of merit to the claim that there’s aggressive censorship in China. I experienced it firsthand.” And the response will be something like “You’re a brainwashed western chauvinist.”
But I also get it from the other side. Like when it comes to healthcare in China. People call me a liar when I tell them it was fast, cheap, and good.
So I guess I’m a liar to both sides of the china brain rot.
Idk, I’ve been much more civil than you.
Haha, no.
Probably has to do with the fact my views on china aren’t as rosy as the sinophiles here on lemmy.
The classic western liberal thing of pretending that any other westerner who sides with the empire’s enemies must simply be doing it out of some kind of contrarian fetishism or pseudoreligious mania. Whatever the reason you decide, it can’t possibly be that the communist is in his right mind, because that’s a terrifying prospect you have no answer for.
If you say so just doesn’t seem accurate to my experience.
Literally nobody here says that China is perfect or that there aren’t bad things about China. The reality is that no human society is perfect, but ones not run by pedo kleptocrats are objectively better than ones that are.
What’s bad about china?
There is inequality, there is still capitalism being allowed as a compromise to global trade. Education system in China is pretty harsh and doesn’t give kids a lot of time to play and be kids. Work, especially in tech, is very competitive with long hours. There is no lack of contradictions in China today.
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Wow, no one can have a well informed opinion that’s different than yours? Well fuck me
“The country i like is flawless” Authoritarianism brain rot
Beautiful strawman.
seems like the person regurgitating propaganda lines out of context may in fact be the one with the brain rot
“If you don’t think every single bad thing the West says about China is true, then you must think it’s flawless!”
“No, China has free speech, we just don’t talk about 1989 that much.” “No, having 1 ruler for 15 years straight is actually OK, you’re just racist”.
Next time on Lemmy: soup is actually a kind of a tea.
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It’s so cute when you guys pretend to know stuff
I am actually open to being educated, so please - do explain. I am just allergic to condescending half-truths I see in most comments.
What happened at that square?
At the square itself, not much, peaceful demonstrations that were peacefully dispersed.
Outside the square on the other hand there were violent clashes between the military (acting as riot police) and violent rioters.
Thanks for a genuine answer. What was the riot about, and how did it get violent?
I had spoken about this to my Chinese colleagues, and I heard different versions.
What was the riot about,
Many things, but the 2 biggest groups student groups protesting peasants needs being prioritised and hardline gang of four supporters protesting reform and opening up.
how did it get violent?
Hard to pinpoint the exact starting incident but most evidence points to a US backed student group lynching a member of the PLA. You should also listen to the Chai Ling interview where she talks about her groups goal of causing bloodshed and causing a government response before she fled with US intelligence agency help.
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Umm I’m a woke lefty but China still isn’t great.
Who else is turning deserts into forests?
