I find it quite incredible how people form their opinions on the wars their governments are involved in, by laying any trust in groups that are ideologically fully aligned with and financed by the oligarchy of said country.
I’ve seen that, but since I didn’t defend anyone and my own government is supporting the Ukrainian state, I thought it was a take too dumb to take seriously. Also, most western countries could be themselves labelled oligarchies, so there’s that.
But how come you think I’m defending Russia by highlighting the nature of the source? Are you not interested, where your Russophobic thoughts are produced? Do you think these are trustworthy institutions? If so, why do you think that? If not, is it not important to highlight that these are consent manufacturing sources?
But how come you think I’m defending Russia by highlighting the nature of the source?
The comment was just the first thing I saw. Your instance was another big tipoff. Then I looked at your comments. It’s not like the comment I responded to is the only thing I can see. You know that, right? You can stop feigning ignorance now.
Still, I haven’t defended Russia, that’s your own very ignorant misrepresentation based on your prejudices you yourself just listed. You just don’t like to hear dissenting opinions regarding this war and that fact alone should make you stop and wonder.
Also, may I suggest to focus on the substance of the commentary, and not on the messenger? And the substance is: this post’s source is a narrative shaping pro-war think tank and you people consume it like it’s ice cream.
When I come across communities like this (especially this one), the black and white thinking and rabid hate towards anything not riling in unison against this evil Pudding guy or Ruzzia is …it’s quite extreme. I like the term westremism, because that’s what it is, really.
People are not accepting anything, that discredits the holyness of the US-European mission to support and usurp Ukraine, while also falling over themselves to eat up every little news reinforcing the negative default towards the enemy, which sure, here now is Russia. But we can play the same game with Palestine, Libanon, Syria, Mali, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran or China … we could go on. Gobbling up all the hate towards other groups, solely because it’s what is being fed to them, or to feel better about the horrific geopolitical conduct of the US and Europe around the world, in case they actually got a faint idea. I implore you to get informed how the West is seen from outside.
I’m pointing out this kind of hypocrisy in the hope that some people manage to stop hating, stop confidently trotting their government’s pushed narratives and start wondering, what’s actually going on.
But lemmy.world indeed is quite extreme in that regard. All you need to do is point out that the source of this post is a hawkish, neoconservative US based think tank, implying that they have a mission to paint a specific picture, and the crowd goes wild. It’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
You just don’t like to hear dissenting opinions regarding this war and that fact alone should make you stop and wonder.
No, I’m fine with that. I’m not fine with people saying anything critical of Russia is only critical of Russia because it’s western propaganda. Your criticism of me here seems to be projection.
Gobbling up all the hate towards other groups, solely because it’s what is being fed to them, or to feel better about the horrific geopolitical conduct of the US and Europe around the world, in case they actually got a faint idea. I implore you to get informed how the West is seen from outside.
Again, this seems to be projection. If you read through my comments you’ll see I’m almost always on the side of the people defending against imperialism. It just so happens that Ukraine is one of these in this case. I also side with Palestine, Lebanon, Venezuela, Cuba, and not with Iran, but against what is being done to them. If you can defend these groups, but you don’t see how Ukraine defending itself is right, then you’ve got something fucked up going on with you.
Projection, alrighty then. Interesting then, how you thought it was important to enter this thread to point out something I did not do for a country I’m not even living in, nor am ideologically aligned with.
I’m not fine with people saying anything critical of Russia is only critical of Russia because it’s western propaganda.
Dunno, doesn’t sound like anything I’ve said or done. So why are you “not fine” with me?
If you can defend these groups, but you don’t see how Ukraine defending itself is right, then you’ve got something fucked up going on with you.
I’m sure we have different understandings of what imperialism actually is. You think Ukraine is defending itself against the imperialist Russia, governed by “a modern emperor fighting an endless war because admitting defeat would look bad”, alright. End of story, end of discussion, nothing more to it? World politics explained? Because, I don’t understand, how you’re trying to make this point, since I’ve certainly never said, that the Ukrainian state is not defending itself. You’re moralizing against a strawman. However, which role, if any, does US and EU imperialism play in Ukraine? Do you support it?
and not with Iran, but against what is being done to them.
Why tho? Why no critical support for Iran? After all, the country’s being attacked by an imperial superpower. Why do you differentiate here? Maybe we should send them Billions and all the weapons they need, what do you think? Maybe we should send all the other countries Billions and all the weapons they need, what do you think? Why do it for Ukraine but none of the others?
I’m tired of this, so I’m not engaging in most of it. I do want to clarify my position on one thing:
Why tho? Why no critical support for Iran? After all, the country’s being attacked by an imperial superpower. Why do you differentiate here?
Because they are an oppressive regime that violates rights, that I believe people should have, constantly. I do believe they should decide how to handle this for themselves though. I don’t know about sending them billions in weapons, but maybe. However, the nations that would do this are doing the opposite, so that doesn’t really make sense. It’d be better to just stop attacking them instead of sending them weapons. I believe, just like in Russia (and many other places) that the best solution is the people rising up and deciding their fate for themselves over the elites deciding for them.
I find it quite incredible how people form their opinions on the wars their governments are involved in, by laying any trust in groups that are ideologically fully aligned with and financed by the oligarchy of said country.
No need to repeat, what I just said.
I was talking about you, presumably defending Russia. Apparently there is a need if you still couldn’t see that.
I’ve seen that, but since I didn’t defend anyone and my own government is supporting the Ukrainian state, I thought it was a take too dumb to take seriously. Also, most western countries could be themselves labelled oligarchies, so there’s that.
But how come you think I’m defending Russia by highlighting the nature of the source? Are you not interested, where your Russophobic thoughts are produced? Do you think these are trustworthy institutions? If so, why do you think that? If not, is it not important to highlight that these are consent manufacturing sources?
The comment was just the first thing I saw. Your instance was another big tipoff. Then I looked at your comments. It’s not like the comment I responded to is the only thing I can see. You know that, right? You can stop feigning ignorance now.
“Anything factual I don’t like is Russian propaganda.”
Read their comment history.
In this thread, they spit facts.
Still, I haven’t defended Russia, that’s your own very ignorant misrepresentation based on your prejudices you yourself just listed. You just don’t like to hear dissenting opinions regarding this war and that fact alone should make you stop and wonder.
Also, may I suggest to focus on the substance of the commentary, and not on the messenger? And the substance is: this post’s source is a narrative shaping pro-war think tank and you people consume it like it’s ice cream.
When I come across communities like this (especially this one), the black and white thinking and rabid hate towards anything not riling in unison against this evil Pudding guy or Ruzzia is …it’s quite extreme. I like the term westremism, because that’s what it is, really.
People are not accepting anything, that discredits the holyness of the US-European mission to support and usurp Ukraine, while also falling over themselves to eat up every little news reinforcing the negative default towards the enemy, which sure, here now is Russia. But we can play the same game with Palestine, Libanon, Syria, Mali, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran or China … we could go on. Gobbling up all the hate towards other groups, solely because it’s what is being fed to them, or to feel better about the horrific geopolitical conduct of the US and Europe around the world, in case they actually got a faint idea. I implore you to get informed how the West is seen from outside. I’m pointing out this kind of hypocrisy in the hope that some people manage to stop hating, stop confidently trotting their government’s pushed narratives and start wondering, what’s actually going on.
But lemmy.world indeed is quite extreme in that regard. All you need to do is point out that the source of this post is a hawkish, neoconservative US based think tank, implying that they have a mission to paint a specific picture, and the crowd goes wild. It’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
No, I’m fine with that. I’m not fine with people saying anything critical of Russia is only critical of Russia because it’s western propaganda. Your criticism of me here seems to be projection.
Again, this seems to be projection. If you read through my comments you’ll see I’m almost always on the side of the people defending against imperialism. It just so happens that Ukraine is one of these in this case. I also side with Palestine, Lebanon, Venezuela, Cuba, and not with Iran, but against what is being done to them. If you can defend these groups, but you don’t see how Ukraine defending itself is right, then you’ve got something fucked up going on with you.
Projection, alrighty then. Interesting then, how you thought it was important to enter this thread to point out something I did not do for a country I’m not even living in, nor am ideologically aligned with.
Dunno, doesn’t sound like anything I’ve said or done. So why are you “not fine” with me?
I’m sure we have different understandings of what imperialism actually is. You think Ukraine is defending itself against the imperialist Russia, governed by “a modern emperor fighting an endless war because admitting defeat would look bad”, alright. End of story, end of discussion, nothing more to it? World politics explained? Because, I don’t understand, how you’re trying to make this point, since I’ve certainly never said, that the Ukrainian state is not defending itself. You’re moralizing against a strawman. However, which role, if any, does US and EU imperialism play in Ukraine? Do you support it?
Why tho? Why no critical support for Iran? After all, the country’s being attacked by an imperial superpower. Why do you differentiate here? Maybe we should send them Billions and all the weapons they need, what do you think? Maybe we should send all the other countries Billions and all the weapons they need, what do you think? Why do it for Ukraine but none of the others?
I’m tired of this, so I’m not engaging in most of it. I do want to clarify my position on one thing:
Because they are an oppressive regime that violates rights, that I believe people should have, constantly. I do believe they should decide how to handle this for themselves though. I don’t know about sending them billions in weapons, but maybe. However, the nations that would do this are doing the opposite, so that doesn’t really make sense. It’d be better to just stop attacking them instead of sending them weapons. I believe, just like in Russia (and many other places) that the best solution is the people rising up and deciding their fate for themselves over the elites deciding for them.