• Snapz@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    Really quick, list what you think civilized, nonmilitary, individual folks with families should do against a 50 year systemic plan, funded with trillions and led by literal psychopaths fixed on destabilizing democracy to rebuild a fascist autocracy in their own image? Every day is a real internal struggle of what to do next. Many of us have spent decades opposing in every way typical folks can, bleeding, arrest, life threatening opposition face to face with swat teams as unarmed, untrained every day people.

    Your response is not helpful. It trivializes one of the largest issues in the history of civilation with no clear solution ahead.

    The point of my response is that WE are not opposed, so don’t try to make the good folks into opponents. Grow up, see the bigger picture and support. Offer solutions and plan on what your personal line will be when this all finds it’s way to you.

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      26 days ago

      Whatever you though the Germans should have done to the Nazis pre-WWII. Whatever you think the Russians should do to Putin. Whatever you think Israelis should do with Netanyahu.

      My grandpa fought in WWII. He never asked the Germans if they supported Hitler, though. He just dropped rocket artillery on them from a few km away.

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        25 days ago

        Was the punishment of Germany for WWI not at all relevant. Not the refusal of most other nations to take in Jews when Germany tried to ship them away not relevant either?

        If you were to ask me it, I would have suggested to not abjectly punish an entire nation for the actions of aristocrats and not close international boarders to refugees due to discrimination against a minority group as factors that outside nations can do.

        Alternatively, Germany did need… outside intervention…

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          25 days ago

          For the purposes of my point, the Treaty of Versailles and the refusal to accept refugees is irrelevant. Both examples are approaching a Heckler’s Veto, but kind of in reverse?

          My point is more realpolitik: we can’t expect people to distinguish between the good americans and the bad americans in a situation where the US is hostile to the world. Honestly, I think it’s a bit late to fix that.

          I also don’t really have any good solutions. Roughly 30% of any given population will always be susceptible to fascism, that’s been studied. That will always be with us. There are also strategies to prevent full fascism, but those need to be carried out consistently on a societal level.

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      26 days ago

      Lol the “WhY aReN’t ThEy dOinG aNyThInG tO StOp It” people never, ever have an answer to a reasoned response like this.

      They also never notice the identical moves being made in their own governments. Like the afd in Germany of all places.

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        26 days ago

        No, those people never have an answer to when it’s them that should be doing something.

        Go to any thread about Ukraine, it’s why aren’t Russians doing anything to stop it. Same with Israel, same with Mexico (why are they leaving instead of fixing their country?), etc.

        In this particular case the US is about to become the center of the new bad guys of WW3, and Americans are, in fact, not doing enough to stop it.