• lastweakness@lemmy.world
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        22 days ago

        As an outsider, I’m curious about this. So, the red train is fast for both the people inside the empire and outside the empire. The blue train is fast only for the people outside the empire, where it’s just as fast as the red train. To me, it sounds like the blue train is still preferable.

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          21 days ago

          The blue train is fast only for the people outside the empire

          While probably true on a technicality (although I’d frame it as accelerating slightly slower for Americans rather than not being fast). You also don’t seem to take into account that it’s the blue train setting the foundation that allows the red train to accelerate as fast as it does, or the fact that through slowing the acceleration for Americans slightly and their general better pr they sustain the system allowing it to continue immiserating hundreds of millions for longer.

          Also it’s not 2 trains per say but one train implementing a 2 part strategy. (The ratchet effect as people call it).

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            21 days ago

            I agree that a revolution is probably the solution there. But until then, would you rather vote for blue or red?

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              21 days ago

              I’m not a euroamerikan so whoever Americans vote for has no effect on how America is to me. They can vote Blue Red or Purple for all I care I just wish they’d stop upholding voting for the different colours of the uniparty as something that has any value.

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                21 days ago

                That’s fair, but it goes against the idea of this post, which seems to be against voting at all. Voting against red feels like the bare minimum to do here. Not voting at all seems actively harmful.

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                  21 days ago

                  I fully agree with this post though? Voting for Americans is meaningless. It holds no value, whether you vote for the blue half or the red half of the uniparty it’s the same interests behind the scenes who own both. Nothing of value has even been won through voting, women’s suffrage, civil rights, the modern 8 hour workday and 5 day week, etc. all won through struggle with actual meaning.

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        23 days ago

        i think it’s quid pro quo now. Seppos stopped being people down here when they started being fascists.

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      23 days ago

      Wow amazing, killing people but slower is better. It’s in fact the best we can have and there’s nothing else to do.

      How about fucking dismantling that damn train? Blow it up? Replace it and the entire system instead of insisting on using the “Global South-Mower”?

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        23 days ago

        Wow amazing, killing people but slower is better

        Objectively true

        It’s in fact the best we can have and there’s nothing else to do.

        Not even remotely close to what I said

        How about fucking dismantling that damn train?

        If you can figure out a way to dismantle the train without opening the door to a train that’s just as bad if not worse, I’m all ears

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      23 days ago

      Slower is not a good thing here. US democrats have been in general more competent managers of the US empire, care more about its image internationally, and think more long term.

      The fall of the US empire (especially the closing of its 900+ military bases internationally) would bring the greatest benefit to the world, and help resolve one of the greatest contradictions in the world today: inequality between rich and poor countries.

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      23 days ago

      The blue trolley does not move slower, I’d say it accelerates more slowly than when it’s blue than red. The train never slows down.