I would rather liberals don’t have a revolution, last thing I want is more liberalism
Liberal revolution be like:
My wife made that exact same joke when I told her about this
Same applies to modern protest. A big rule of thumb for this shit is: Can the evil leaders ignore what you’re doing? If so, they will. If you cry about how there should be “no kings;” you’re essentially hoping that the worst people on earth suddenly develop a conscience, hear your plea, and correct all of the bad things they’ve done. No, they’ll just ignore it. Here are some disruptions to the status quo that they can’t ignore:
- The economy (go on strike, protest on weekdays, don’t be orderly, in-fact, be a total nuisance to the day-to-day operations in a city - preferably a “high value” location)
- The panopticon (ruin the surveillance state - protest the cameras, protest the data centers (also helps the last point), protest the infrastructure that these things rely on)
- Their livelyhood (protest where they live. And there’s plenty to choose from; the shear number of people whose decisions actively fuck your life is astounding)
Just remember: don’t harm anyone or anything. Protest them. Got it? Good.
Joining a union or creating one is one of the most subversive things one can do in this day and age. Propaganda for unions is very effective at leveraging the class schism in favour of workers/socialism.
Just don’t a union that advocates creating large weaponry or represents law enforcement/servants of the state.
Proper unionising makes capitalists piss their pants. I have read a ton about politics (to my detriment – rip mental health) and it seems to really give you the most bang for your buck.
It shouldn’t be all that surprising that liberals choose to continue to participate in liberal democracy. It’s their system. They want to see it maintained, they don’t want to see it dismantled or replaced. They like things the way they are, more or less, and they don’t want to see things radically change.
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I don’t want that change either, but I think the right kind of change is not only acceptable, it’s absolutely necessary. I don’t think liberals should be expected to embrace just any change - like change that would make things worse - but they should be open to positive changes, even if those changes seem relatively “radical.”
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Do you think we support either part of the USian uniparty in general?
Harm reduction voting is kicking the can down the road, or in Christian terms ‘robbing peter to pay paul’
It’s based in fear and cowardice. The only way we will ever change anything is if we are collectively fearless and fucking stand for principles
Its also a self fulfilling prophecy, which is exactly what Dems seem to be hoping for. Splitting the vote so facists keep winning seems more and more to be the real goal of most Democrats since like… Al Gore
Give a productive example *of an alternative.
Downvotes for why ffs
Look at where we are now. With the ratchet effect. You keep voting for genocide? Guess what you get. Kamala literally said there would be no difference, the most lethal military ever, campaign with a McCain and where did that lead us
A productive example, not your view of history.
Something realistic and productive.
but liberals at least talk about things like operation orange chicken with the discussion as the main part of their resistance movement
we should call Trump “cheeto” or “orangutan” even more often, it’s like 10x effective than silly stuff like organizing for revolution for the proletariat
The way you get people to join the revolution is to help them, you have to give them as much of a taste of what your idealogy can bring as you can. You don’t need to be a part of government to do that, but it helps you reach more people. When people say get organized, one of the things that mean js being a part of local government and that requires someone to vote for you. Mamdani has done more for socialism in America then anything else has in a long time. This isn’t to say americans shouldn’t revolt, they absolutely should, but local representation is intrincincly linked to that, and they can take the form of union reps, community leaders and yes even local politicians.
This is exactly what Lenin was arguing for in Left Communism: an infantile disorder. Socialists must engage with electoralism to show the benefits of socialism and to maintain visibility in a pre-revolutionary society. It doesn’t mean to vote blue no matter who, but it does mean get involved with local politics (and even national politics as much as you can) to do actual harm reduction.
Exactly. And especially getting involved locally, where you can have a greater influence and more readily make a difference.
So real… lol
Friendly reminder that a common propaganda tactic is to discourage your opposition from voting
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Adventurism is not revolution.
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As if you’d know: one post ago you thought Luigi’s adventurism was revolutionary.
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The point was that you clearly don’t know anything about revolutions
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No officer, I don’t think I will.
Revolution has never happened
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No it’s true, no revolution has ever happened and everyone who ever thought they did one was wrong. Nobody is a revolutionary and there is no hope of ever becoming one, leaving us with no path but to do nothing and contribute only hopeless navel gazing. I am a very serious communist.
risk being locked up revolutionary. lmao bro, you libs don’t even have the slightest idea what the fuck true political organization means. you mfs believe revolution is a one man call of duty mission. the gringo states is truly the most backward brainwashed nation on earth.
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did i say that? no
political organization is way more relevant and actually does something. voting who bourgeois is going to fuck you in the ass with blue or red paint does absolutely nothing but to legitimize your fascist empire.
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Strikes have given you basically every working right you currently have, if that’s what doing nothing looks like then I don’t know what to say.
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Striking is the bread and butter of revolutionary activity. The February revolution in Russia was a mass strike that escalated to a point the state could no longer control it. What do you think revolutionary activity looks like?
You are right, people are striking less now than they used to which is a major reason why things are getting worse: cost of living increasing, wages stagnating, the rich getting richer etc.
We need to unite as workers and strike, not vote, for the conditions we deserve.
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Popular support is needed for a revolution to happen. But striking even on a smaller scale is steel still a very effective way at gaining larger action from the population.
Earlier you said risking being thrown in jail was something revolutionaries should do. What do you mean by that and why would it be more effective than going on strike?
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Reaction of violence by the capitalist state is definitely a common side effect of larger strikes and is a certainty during revolution. But the effectiveness or revolutionary status of an action shouldn’t be measured by how violent a reaction it gets from the capitalist state. We should be striving for the greatest change with the least negative outcome, not aiming to risk dying or going to jail.
Of course a single small scale strike isn’t going to cause a revolution. But it’s still revolutionary in the fact that it builds class consciousness and paves the way for further action. A single strike certainly does more than voting.
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The only person doing something revolutionary in liberal countries in recent years is Luigi. And he has the balls to admit that he did it. Beyond that, any other protest has been much closer to voting than to an uprising.
I wouldn’t say he’s the only person, there’s been a lot of scattered protests lately (not counting peaceful marches) and destroying Flock cameras has become a social media trend, but other than that I mostly agree with your point
Weeks and decades and all that.
Just going to your local DSA meeting is risking jail at this point or worse.
“Revolutions” aren’t really started by people on the ground, it’s a response to ruling class oppression. All you can really do is organize and hope for the best.
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It’s a worthwhile conversation to have, I agree.
So many people get all ready to take on the system, man, without understanding the infinite hard work of building community.
Fidel started with 12 people. But he had the support of the communities around him. And a murderous regime to oppose.
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There is no discussion of “destroying a regime” though. What we seek to build are resilient communities.
I get that you’re doing some figuring out here. But you’re actively talking online about things that are now illegal speech. Fidel is an example not of blindly destroying a regime but an example of the importance of building community. Or, organizing.
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You can play those semantic games if you want. It won’t get you anywhere.
I need you to look up the Palmer raids or any other red scare nonsense in this country. No amount of “technically the constitution” is going to make your words “legal”. The laws are made up and enforced with extreme violence by white supremacists.
The reason I say this to you: any sort of discussion about merely changing the system is going to be seen as treasonous. Mamdani was named by doj in conjunction with npsm 7 or whatever it is.
Analyze the material reality of the situation and act accordingly. I spend a lot of my time in my communities. Not all have the same overlapping goals. But none of them advocate for a revolution, that’s an extreme risk for almost no upside.
Yo this meme got people talking 😂😂
Yo OP what is your idea of revolution though?
Is it riots in the streets? Hunting down the elites? Or maybe just voting far left? Please help these liberals figure out how to save this country. No idea is a bad one after all!
Revolution is the culmination of the difficult work of building a new society. It is not, as most of us who grew up movie-brained were taught to believe, a call of duty mission
This is propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout so the oligarchs can remain in control
Yeah man, the oligarchs really give a shit which of their figureheads you vote for in the elections they control.
you cannot vote someone who isn’t an oligarch my brother. that’s the whole point of bourgeois “”“”“democracy”“”"
It’s not about the wealthiest 0.5%, the oligarchs as you’d call them. All of this revolves around the struggle against capitalism. Workers (about 60 to 70% of society depending on the definition and employment rates) against the bourgeoisie (~15% including petit bourgeoisie).
The democrats, famously not at all oligarchs or in any way related to Epstein or any other ghoulish shit
