I’m trying to understand the hype. Is it cause this stuff is normally a pain to configure? I thought the point of Arch was to define your own system. Why would I use Omarchy? Also every tech influencer is pushing this distro like it’s the best thing since Linux was released but the use case seems very narrow to me. Tiling wm aren’t for everyone so why are they all so excited for this? It does look sleek depending on the theme but I just don’t get it.
Tiling wm aren’t for everyone so why are they all so excited for this?
There seems to be an expectation in the Linux community that everybody who sticks with Linux long-term will eventually “graduate” to a tiling wm someday. Even though I’ve used Linux for 20 years and still prefer KDE.
KDE just keeps getting better.
I’ve recently played around with Niri with DMS. it’s fun and looks cool, but eventually it’s back to KDE when I need to some work done.
Yeah, I started with KDE 2.2.2, and outside of the KDE 4 era, I always find myself coming back to it. I used GNOME 2 during that time, so I understand the appeal of MATE and Cinnamon.
I tend to prefer traditional desktops with overlapping windows. I’ve tried various tiling wms and hated all of them. I don’t want my screen covered in terminals or to have to learn keyboard shortcuts just to do basic tasks, and I often feel like I’m the only longtime Linux user who feels this way.
In theory I really like tiling window managers. I generally want to have 1-4 windows open in full screen per workspace/monitor and prefer to use just my keyboard as much as possible.
In practice, I haven’t found one that works well with dialog, fixed sized, or modal windows well enough to not get annoying, while most traditional window managers/desktop environments have good enough keyboard shortcuts and window snapping.
I just don’t want to have to memorize keyboard shortcuts or have my screen covered in terminals just to do basic tasks. I like the convenience of a desktop environment, but I don’t want the BS that comes with Windows.
And then there’s me where I seem to have a workspace for every topic or task, and I use GNOME scratchpads to quickly have single view apps pop in and out independant of my workspace (and so scratchpad brings the app to me, instead of dragging me to the app).
Ive used tiling windows before and it doesn’t really help me much. I can configure workspaces with full or split windows myself and not touch them instead swapping around using workspace shortcuts.
… I haven’t found one that works well with dialog, fixed sized, or modal windows well enough to not get annoying,
This so, so much. I:ve been on Sway (and i3 before) for a long time and this is such a pain in the ass.
Most gui programs that do more than a simple window just don’t work well with them, dialogs filling up half your screen because of tiling, programs with detachable panels that turn into windows cannot be attached again because the main window doesn’t detect it (puddletag is an example I’ve came across recently).
I know I can setup some rules to make the windows float or have the correct behavior, but it’s just too much to fix every single broken dialog I encounter.
I feel like tiling window managers mostly are a throwback to an era where gui applications were generally just single windows that did one thing, but even then most people were just using them to tile a bunch of xterms. Nowadays I’d rather use a single full screen emulator that either has native split support, or tmux.
It appeals to the people who think a tiling WM looks cool but can’t be bothered to do the most basic documentation reading to install and configure it.
every tech influencer is pushing this distro
Not any of the ones that I follow. Perhaps that’s a signal to curate who you listen to.
I’ve been using tiling window managers for 15+ years (Mostly awesomewm but also ion/i3). I tried using the tiling extension for GNOME and it was pretty awful. Maybe it has improved since then but last time I checked GNOME still couldn’t handle multiple workspaces on multiple monitors the way I want so that’s a nonstarter for me. I’m currently using Hyprland on Fedora because i3 and sway couldn’t easily replicate some functionality I had in AwesomeWM when I migrated to wayland.
I get that gnome is quite inflexible in multi monitor mode but doesn’t bother me since second my screen is usually static and I just swap around the main workspace. Tiling extension just helps me organize them. The point was the market on tiling wm seems pretty saturated why even deal with a problematic one.
Paperwm is awesome but admitting you like gnome isn’t cool and edgy. Allowing you to flex over people who actually know what they’re doing, so it’s not good
It was a light hearted take on how seriously people take their choices. Gnome not cool gnome never cool, gnome can do most of what a lot of people want though.
Hate the asshole but I’ll be generous. I think it speaks to a badly underserved market; a desire for a highly curated, opinionated, ‘turn-key’ solution. SteamOS is getting hype for similar reasons; Omarchy is just the techie version of the idea; someone else did the configuration for you.
Part of why I like nixos so much: makes it easy to leverage the work others have done.
I’d definitely be down for a well-maintained, Debian-based (not Ubuntu-based) distro that comes with i3 or sway out of the box and isn’t run by a chud. Configuring your distro of choice with a tiling WM by hand everytime you install on a new device or virtual machine is a chore. There’s certainly a prominent niche of Linux users who like tiling WMs, and those have a lot of overlap with the kind of user who would be interested in a niche distro.
Also, many smaller distros are explicitly anti-chud (indeed even many of the bigger ones talk positively about “diversity” and “inclusiveness”), so chud users would naturally be drawn to the few distros that are run by outspoken chuds.
Yeah, I’m not desperate enough for a preconfigured i3/sway distro to learn a different package manager. There’s also Ubuntu Sway Remix, it’s even configured without Snaps out of the box.
I’m trying to understand the hype. Is it cause this stuff is normally a pain to configure? I thought the point of Arch was to define your own system. Why would I use Omarchy? Also every tech influencer is pushing this distro like it’s the best thing since Linux was released but the use case seems very narrow to me. Tiling wm aren’t for everyone so why are they all so excited for this? It does look sleek depending on the theme but I just don’t get it.
There seems to be an expectation in the Linux community that everybody who sticks with Linux long-term will eventually “graduate” to a tiling wm someday. Even though I’ve used Linux for 20 years and still prefer KDE.
KDE just keeps getting better. I’ve recently played around with Niri with DMS. it’s fun and looks cool, but eventually it’s back to KDE when I need to some work done.
Yeah, I started with KDE 2.2.2, and outside of the KDE 4 era, I always find myself coming back to it. I used GNOME 2 during that time, so I understand the appeal of MATE and Cinnamon.
I tend to prefer traditional desktops with overlapping windows. I’ve tried various tiling wms and hated all of them. I don’t want my screen covered in terminals or to have to learn keyboard shortcuts just to do basic tasks, and I often feel like I’m the only longtime Linux user who feels this way.
In theory I really like tiling window managers. I generally want to have 1-4 windows open in full screen per workspace/monitor and prefer to use just my keyboard as much as possible.
In practice, I haven’t found one that works well with dialog, fixed sized, or modal windows well enough to not get annoying, while most traditional window managers/desktop environments have good enough keyboard shortcuts and window snapping.
I just don’t want to have to memorize keyboard shortcuts or have my screen covered in terminals just to do basic tasks. I like the convenience of a desktop environment, but I don’t want the BS that comes with Windows.
And then there’s me where I seem to have a workspace for every topic or task, and I use GNOME scratchpads to quickly have single view apps pop in and out independant of my workspace (and so scratchpad brings the app to me, instead of dragging me to the app).
Ive used tiling windows before and it doesn’t really help me much. I can configure workspaces with full or split windows myself and not touch them instead swapping around using workspace shortcuts.
This so, so much. I:ve been on Sway (and i3 before) for a long time and this is such a pain in the ass.
Most gui programs that do more than a simple window just don’t work well with them, dialogs filling up half your screen because of tiling, programs with detachable panels that turn into windows cannot be attached again because the main window doesn’t detect it (puddletag is an example I’ve came across recently).
I know I can setup some rules to make the windows float or have the correct behavior, but it’s just too much to fix every single broken dialog I encounter.
I feel like tiling window managers mostly are a throwback to an era where gui applications were generally just single windows that did one thing, but even then most people were just using them to tile a bunch of xterms. Nowadays I’d rather use a single full screen emulator that either has native split support, or tmux.
currently trying to use sway and I am finding out just how much I miss being able to alt tab through windows on a monitor
Tabbed mode basically replaces alt+tab … you could even rebind Mod+Arrow to Alt+Tab if you really wanted (if you didn’t set your Mod key to Alt).
Same I still us gnome, though I did use budgie for a while.
It appeals to the people who think a tiling WM looks cool but can’t be bothered to do the most basic documentation reading to install and configure it.
Not any of the ones that I follow. Perhaps that’s a signal to curate who you listen to.
You can just get a tiling extension for GNOME and it just works, or use sway or i3 there’s no reason for hyprland to exist.
I’ve been using tiling window managers for 15+ years (Mostly awesomewm but also ion/i3). I tried using the tiling extension for GNOME and it was pretty awful. Maybe it has improved since then but last time I checked GNOME still couldn’t handle multiple workspaces on multiple monitors the way I want so that’s a nonstarter for me. I’m currently using Hyprland on Fedora because i3 and sway couldn’t easily replicate some functionality I had in AwesomeWM when I migrated to wayland.
I get that gnome is quite inflexible in multi monitor mode but doesn’t bother me since second my screen is usually static and I just swap around the main workspace. Tiling extension just helps me organize them. The point was the market on tiling wm seems pretty saturated why even deal with a problematic one.
Paperwm is awesome but admitting you like gnome isn’t cool and edgy. Allowing you to flex over people who actually know what they’re doing, so it’s not good
Cool story bro. Wasn’t trying to be cool and edgy by liking something as innocuous as a DE. Unlike insulting someone over their choice of DE or WM.
Cheer up mate might never happen😂
It was a light hearted take on how seriously people take their choices. Gnome not cool gnome never cool, gnome can do most of what a lot of people want though.
Hate the asshole but I’ll be generous. I think it speaks to a badly underserved market; a desire for a highly curated, opinionated, ‘turn-key’ solution. SteamOS is getting hype for similar reasons; Omarchy is just the techie version of the idea; someone else did the configuration for you.
Part of why I like nixos so much: makes it easy to leverage the work others have done.
I’d definitely be down for a well-maintained, Debian-based (not Ubuntu-based) distro that comes with i3 or sway out of the box and isn’t run by a chud. Configuring your distro of choice with a tiling WM by hand everytime you install on a new device or virtual machine is a chore. There’s certainly a prominent niche of Linux users who like tiling WMs, and those have a lot of overlap with the kind of user who would be interested in a niche distro.
Also, many smaller distros are explicitly anti-chud (indeed even many of the bigger ones talk positively about “diversity” and “inclusiveness”), so chud users would naturally be drawn to the few distros that are run by outspoken chuds.
Don’t know how you feel about fedora, but their atomic sway spin has been great. Rock solid with a sane, functional sway config.
Yeah, I’m not desperate enough for a preconfigured i3/sway distro to learn a different package manager. There’s also Ubuntu Sway Remix, it’s even configured without Snaps out of the box.
Totally fair. I didn’t know there was an Ubuntu sway remix. That’s nice to know.