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This is the way.
The “shop local” thing is just a bullshit attempt to prey on people’s emotions and ethics.
At the risk of being down voted to oblivion, I don’t mind if they use AI to touch up actual photos of their food, like improve background , lighting etc.
Note the photo has to be original though.
However, if they use AI to generate the whole photo, that’s a problem.
went antiquing recently. store was large and had dedicated vendor booths. half of them had shitty AI generated “vintage” art.
I was thoroughly disgusted.
though, there was a large booth filled with books going back to the early 1800s and woodworking tools in reasonable condition. most books were poetry, but there were some first edition engineering code books there as well.
it was my happy space.
Restaurants using AI for food menu is a sign of bad quality.
The best pizza I ever had was from a hole-in-the-wall place in Montreal with a layer of grease in the windows, thick cobwebs covered in dead flies, and an air-conditioner black with mold.
If anyone cares, or remembers, it was Rock And Roll Pizza on Bleury, where the Spectrum used to be. In front of the NYKS.
It was a Persian guy running the place. One day I convinced a Persian co-worker to eat there. I guess he gave shit to the owner because the next day the place was a lot cleaner.
Basically they made some kind of shawarma pizza that was out of this world.
Oh and the business next door sold sex dolls, there was a fully inflated transexual doll in that window.
I miss that Montreal. I don’t like the crappy generic condo abomination that’s there now.
So anyways, if greasy windows and dead spiders didn’t turn me off, what does it say that seeing some generic gross AI art turns me off?
(I just remembered another MTL pizza place with greasy windows and dead flies that was so amazing a guy drove from the South Shore just to eat there.)
Instant walk out, never again
You can get principled on that but then also walk out if they have a phone.
You’re not using one are you?
Do they know where those precious metals come from and how they’re mined? No.Most of these people are also blissfully unaware of any AI problems except them possibly taking over the world.
They don’t even need to understand it, It’s just some cool thingy computers do these days.
Then back to their administration or the facebook.
Average shopkeepers are busy running their shop.
They’re not having ethical debates on Lemmy.
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It’s like when I go to vendor halls at conventions and half the vendors are repackaged aliexpress/temu items
I’m fine with the massive Chinese booths like that at our flea market. We get some useful stuff for cheap. But in general it turns me off. Our local Goodwills now sell bottom-of-the-barrel Chinese imports for the same prices as the next better sort of thing.
It’s like when I go to
vendor halls at conventions and half the vendorsany store that’s not a mega-department store all the items are repackaged aliexpress/temu itemsftfy
TBH, the US has been middle-manning economically depressed labor for cheap goods for decades. It just turns out that China is way better at it than we are.
Alibaba/express just made it a marketplace where companies could do it with zero friction.
It’s worse when their menu pictures have the glitch where it makes things look like triptaphobia? I forget how it’s spelled and I’m not going to look it up for obvious reasons…
It’s like they all use one model that can’t figure out french fries, hash browns, or lettuce.
This place has a $35 crab cake sandwich on the menu and can’t manage to take a picture of the fucking thing.
Trypophobia? Went to a restaurant that had ai menu pictures that looked like everything was made of bugs. They looked absolutely disgusting. At that point it wasn’t even about not liking ai, i simply lost my apetite looking at it.
That’s the one. Same reaction. They’re lucky I didn’t puke lol
That’s what you get when you use ai to upscale ai images.
it’s a vicious circle.
There’s a shop near me that has one of those sandwich board signs on the sidewalk with some sort of “fuck the billionaires, support small businesses” messaging, but for some idiotic reason, it has the faces of those billionaires on it, so every time I see it, I just get angry.
Supporting a small business with an AI Poster is much better than supporting a big corporation
Why? Isn’t the small business supporting a big AI corporation? So a big corporation is getting supported either way?
Small businesses aren’t inherently cool and good, many of them would prefer to be large corporations, they just don’t know how to get there.
Creating an AI Poster might literally just be one month of some $5 AI sub or a free trial. There’s no way to verify how much they’re actually supporting the AI Company.
And while your second point is valid, if you really cared about supporting local you’d simply do some research on which local businesses are running with a community-centric approach. Which ones are run by decent people. Etc. That will likely but not definitely exclude businesses that use AI anyway.
I’d also just rather support a local shithead than a billionaire shithead 🤷
If they generate AI slop, they’re supporting the big corporations.
Edit: damn, that’s a lot of AI bros trying to make themselves feel better with “nuance” and “lesser evil” arguments down in the comments. I guess if you don’t see your money directly go to OpenAI, it helps you sleep at night better. Out of sight, out of mind, as they say.
You can get an AI Poster created for negligible amount of money. Maybe even a free trial.
Unless you’ve verified somehow that that company uses AI in abundance and not just a few posters, you’re just making assumptions.
If they use AI for a few posters, where’s the guarantee that they will actually put effort into their main job? The kind of person that cheaps out by using AI is not the one I want to be paying.
Again, you’re just making assumptions.
They may or may not be accurate assumptions, but if they change your decision making to instead shop at mega-corp instead of local, they’re ultimately harmful assumptions imo.
Believe it or not, not everyone is keen on sloppifying everything they do. Local businesses that don’t use AI exist. And you can help by not normalizing the slop.
Either you support small business directly and large corporations indirectly or you just support large corporations directly or you walk out in to the middle of the woods, withdraw from society, and homestead. There is not way to participate in today’s society without indirectly supporting corporations.
Sure, feel free to go in to every small shop and argue with them why they should not use AI. But supporting a multiple small shops that use AI for posters is better than giving all your money to Walmart.
This statement is the correct option.
Supporting a small business with an AI Poster is much better than supporting a big corporation.
Or I find a small shop that doesn’t use AI and support them. And if you think they don’t exist any more, well, you helped make that happen.
You get to pick the hill that you die on, but what I am saying is even if they don’t use AI - they still use bookkeeping software, they still file taxes, they still order supplies, they have an email, website and someplace they store documents.
So AI can be your hill that is fine, but you are still picking the lesser evil in other ways. As you said, “I guess if you don’t see your money directly go to OpenAI, it helps you sleep at night better. Out of sight, out of mind, as they say.”
Took me a bit to realize multiple of my comments are getting lengthy replies by the same person, and that said person isn’t either of the commenters I was replying to.
You, of course, get to pick whatever criteria you want for supporting or not supporting businesses. But I don’t appreciate walls of text trying to shame me into supporting AI slop.
As I’ve said before (as you’ve surely seen since you’ve seemingly scoured this entire thread to find people who disagree with you), there are businesses that don’t support big corporations in their operations. And if you can’t find any in your local area (presumably the US?), then you can live with the knowledge that your “lesser evil” slop-normalizing rhetoric helped make that happen.
I didn’t realize I was also replying to you over and over. I also understand that you are purposely missing the point. So I’ll leave it at that.
If your “point” is defending slop, then yes, let’s leave it at that.
I hate even more that I get there and they tell me “you know you can get it cheaper on Amazon” or “we no longer stock it but you can get it on Amazon”. Bud, I can get every single thing in your store on Amazon and yes, it is often cheaper but I am trying to keep local stores and local jobs alive.
Some stores don’t understand that they can’t just sell the high margin stuff. They have to also sell the high volume/low margin stuff that generates the foot traffic.
If I stop going to your store for 98% of my shopping, why would I go there for the last 2%?
This happened to me a few weeks ago when I was looking through thrift shops to put together a Halloween costume. I went looking store to store for overalls, asked the employees if they had any suggestions. The elderly ladies had legit suggestions (that simply didn’t work out for me), but the young staff just went, “Try Amazon?”
The sad truth is, the youngin’s never lived in a world without Amazon. They don’t know the local stores like the older folks do. Perhaps they’ve never gone from thrift store to thrift store looking for treasures (even if they work in a thrift store.) It’s possible the idea of “avoiding Amazon” has never occurred to them.
employees justifiably hate their employers
and small businesses typically abuse their employees far worse than mega corps which is saying something in a world of Walmarts and Amazon’s
the sweet spot is a company that’s small enough to maintain a culture and the owners still have a vision but big enough they have to follow the rules pay taxes and have an hr department
of course there is no ethical consumption or production under capitalism but I didn’t create this world just suffering along with everyone else
If I see AI posters, menus, or signage, I don’t spend money. Period.
Nah, it’s a testament to no matter what you do, some people would rather be miserable and “make a statement” than to just forget the damn ai art and go inside the damn restaurant.
Why doesn’t the owner just forget the AI AND TAKE A FUCKING PICTURE OF THE FOOD THEY’RE MAKING ???
I’ve been to plenty of restaurants THAT TAKE PHOTOS OF THEIR FOOD and it’s just as capable of being bad than if it was ai. Stay mad though, I’m sure it’ll change because of your anger.
???
Baffling response. The point is none of this AI cancer is necessary.
While I agree with the whole ai is ruining shit argument, I’m just saying I’m not going to punish a LOCAL MOM AND POP SHOP for using AI. Instead of boycotting them, why not talk to them about why AI is bad and offer to make their damn menu for them. Instead you pack up your chairs and say Nope! And then go complain about it behind a screen. DO SOMETHING rather than SAYING SOMETHING.
Ahh “the customer is always wrong” motto…
…also, your image of others as “people who prefer to be miserable” rather than people who prefer hand made art, or art that hasn’t been stolen and used for profit by billionaires, or art that wasn’t created by polluting the planet… Is it’s self, a miserable illusion of others.
So you, yourself are choosing the miserable viewpoint.
Personally I’m glad people have a sense of justice, and pay attention to the news and care about issues of morality and climate survival.
I like people fighting billionaires, and fighting for the environment. I think they’re great, and that your view point - is the flawed and weaker one.
Miserable meaning you just HAD to post something about it. I’m all for fighting billionaires, BUT TYPING IN ALL CAPS AT AN ONLINE STRANGER ISN’T FIGHTING BILLIONAIRES.
That wasn’t the order of events, you spoke up on behalf of AI and models trained by billionaire companies destroying the planet THEN you (gasp) got an all caps response (the pain!)… Telling people to just accept it.
Now you’re pretending like that was the start of it, or the part that has harmful or world scale implications.
It’s not. The support for AI companies does.
P.S I didn’t all caps you, I’m not the same person, so stop saying “YOU just had to ALL CAPS ME”.
