As someone on the inside, I can assure you that the buyers put down money up front for a specified product and delivery date. There is no speculation involved. They line up to give us money. Unless Microsoft et al. goes bankrupt, we keep building.
It’s not an issue of prediction, or prophesy, it’s that all the available information right now looks like a classic bubble. could it find profitably? idk. is it profitable? No. is there billions or trillions in debt changing hands too fast for anyone to keep track of? yes. is someone selling somke? most likely these are the situations in which con artists thrive. probably not everyone is intending to sell smoke. but not all of this is going to work out, some may come out on top, but some will fall, and that will be a bubble.
Drawing on data from regulatory intelligence outfit RegLayer, the FT reports that 47 large data center projects have already fallen through this year. Analysts at the equity research firm Bernstein only believe that about 35 percent of planned facilities are feasible.
Would you dispute these claims, based on your experience?
So, many are getting blocked and the AI bubble is going to pop in the next few years. Right now, this is where we stand. Notice, most are getting built where there is a lack of cool weather and water. Many states are starting to fight them because of this.
You ask “why believe me?” I ask " why take you seriously?" And we get nowhere.
The popular opinion is framed in view of the worst offenders. That gets clicks. My daily experience shows me that:
one urinal in my building uses more water in a day than the datacenter does in a year.
our generators run at less than 65 dB at full tilt at a distance of 30 feet. They are only run during utility outages - and monthly tests for 10 minutes.
we build in corporate parks and remote sites with surplus power.
the power substation we paid for and built delivers 20 MW back to the community. We added capacity to the local area on our dime.
However, others are not like us. Musk runs gas turbines for primary power. MS uses open- loop cooling. They get the headlines. We don’t. Our business is based on responsible behavior. But we get painted with the same brush.
Ok, even assuming all that is true (just saying it doesnt make it so) none of it has anything to do with the inherent unprofitability of AI. Anthropic alone is reporting an $80 billion loss for the year. Last I heard the industry as a whole needs to make a few trillion dollars just to break even. Regardless of how efficient or not your particular data center may be, it’s not going to fill that gap.
Agreed. Oai, Anthro, etc don’t necessarily have paths forward. But a LOT of folks want their hands on the results. Perhaps real open sw will rise to put them under and no one will need to pay for the models. But they will have to pay for the hardware to run it. And that’s pricey. And we get paid up front.
As someone on the inside, I can assure you that the buyers put down money up front for a specified product and delivery date. There is no speculation involved. They line up to give us money. Unless Microsoft et al. goes bankrupt, we keep building.
It’s not an issue of prediction, or prophesy, it’s that all the available information right now looks like a classic bubble. could it find profitably? idk. is it profitable? No. is there billions or trillions in debt changing hands too fast for anyone to keep track of? yes. is someone selling somke? most likely these are the situations in which con artists thrive. probably not everyone is intending to sell smoke. but not all of this is going to work out, some may come out on top, but some will fall, and that will be a bubble.
Agreed.
Going a step further, the builders that build with environmental and community concerns first are more likely to endure. My company does exactly that.
FTA:
Would you dispute these claims, based on your experience?
Not at all. Most builders are clueless. They think that because they have money, they can solve any problems.
Edit: Adding that site selection is HARD. Every developer with a spare farm plot wants in on the action. Most are completely inappropriate.
lmao, which department do you work in that you’re on lemmy right now? Mail, or maybe food service?
Operations. DC manager.
So, HR? I would delete your location, btw. Don’t out yourself.
There are more than a dozen datacenters within 30 minutes of my home.
So, many are getting blocked and the AI bubble is going to pop in the next few years. Right now, this is where we stand. Notice, most are getting built where there is a lack of cool weather and water. Many states are starting to fight them because of this.
https://www.electricchoice.com/datacenters/
Sure, Jan.
If we are not going to have honest discussion, why participate? Lemmy should be better.
So a post making claims against all visible evidence with no proof for any of it is “honest discussion”?
You ask “why believe me?” I ask " why take you seriously?" And we get nowhere.
The popular opinion is framed in view of the worst offenders. That gets clicks. My daily experience shows me that:
However, others are not like us. Musk runs gas turbines for primary power. MS uses open- loop cooling. They get the headlines. We don’t. Our business is based on responsible behavior. But we get painted with the same brush.
Ok, even assuming all that is true (just saying it doesnt make it so) none of it has anything to do with the inherent unprofitability of AI. Anthropic alone is reporting an $80 billion loss for the year. Last I heard the industry as a whole needs to make a few trillion dollars just to break even. Regardless of how efficient or not your particular data center may be, it’s not going to fill that gap.
Agreed. Oai, Anthro, etc don’t necessarily have paths forward. But a LOT of folks want their hands on the results. Perhaps real open sw will rise to put them under and no one will need to pay for the models. But they will have to pay for the hardware to run it. And that’s pricey. And we get paid up front.