• Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    This is an important distinction in my opinion. Does the IDF care if they kill palestinian civilians? No. But they aren’t actively trying to murder as many palestinian civilians as they can either.

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      1 year ago

      Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it’s almost an insignificant difference imo.

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        1 year ago

        How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans.

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          Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way

          The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don’t care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn’t the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It’s the actions of the IDF themselves.

          Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place.

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          Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that’s what they’re doing, and that it’s working.

      • Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world
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        Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades…

        Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure.

        You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007.

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          Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more.

          Tents or not, you’re basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I’m afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊

          It’s a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement.

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            It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century.

            You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here).

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              First, I didn’t cheer for Hamas.

              Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It’s okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself.

              And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything … That’s very telling.

              And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It’s not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis.

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        Jabalia refugee camp consists of an area that is 1,4 km2. It had a registered population of about 50 000 inhabitants in 2017, who knows how much these days. It’s not exactly a small place, even if the term “refugee camp” might give that image.

        So who knows. Perhaps they’re just murdering civilians, or perhaps a place like that is a perfect breeding ground for extremism.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp

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          Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel’s case?

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            I dunno, as – believe it or not – I’m not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one?

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              Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace.

              If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes.