• MTK@lemmy.world
    174·
    1 year ago

    Me being an arch using vegan with a man-bun makes this feel like a personal attack.

    But once I get my new arch setup working I’ll install gimp on it and create a meme making fun of you!

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
      29·
      1 year ago

      I’m vegan for health reasons and I have yet to meat one of the infamous vegans the stereotype portrays. I ask questions, look for recipes, etc, and everyone has been super nice. I think “those vegans” live primarily on Twitter and Reddit.

      PS: I’ve had a working Linux system in daily use since I started back with Red Hat Halloween and I prefer Debían based installs like Pop!_OS and Mint D. Nothing against Arch but I ain’t got time to fight the OS as well as my work.

      EDIT: The typo stays.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        18·
        1 year ago

        I’ve met one or two. It’s like fine, it’s a major lifestyle change often associated with ethics that sets you aside from most of society. Many folks have a period of a few months to a year or two of being really annoying about shit like that. It happens with all sorts of folks: linux and arch users, freshly out queer people, people getting into polyamory, new converts to religions… frankly atheists and people who just converted to Christianity are the worst about it in my experience. And yeah these people are annoying. You’ve been annoying too I’m sure, we all have, it’s part of being a person and the people being annoying about these things are typically doing so at an age where some variant of that is a common experience

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
          6·
          1 year ago

          I’ve been annoying? I’VE BEEN ANNOYING?!? I take offense of your liberal use of the past tense, Captain.

          I hear ya though. I guess I’ve been lucky in my interactions, but the memes make it seem like it’s constant and ever present with vegans, and that doesn’t match with my experience outside of the Internet.

        • jacobc436@lemmy.ml
          3·
          1 year ago

          Surprisingly sane take, I forget sometimes that not everything on the internet is straight cynicism. Ty.

      • otp@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        1 year ago

        They’re also on Lemmy. I haven’t been here long, but I’ve already seen 2.

        One is right here in another comment chain, lol

      • Faresh@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        This is very likely my very environmentally influenced view, but I think there was a period of time where being vegan was a trend among the health hipsters, who weren’t vegan due to ethics, but because either everyone else was doing it or because they claim it has massive health benefits like they did for paleo, keto or other diets. Those I think could indeed fit that stereotype. Or maybe I’m living in a fairy tale.

    • Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world
      173·
      1 year ago

      Part of being vegan is understanding you’ll be mocked and criticized for completely unrelated things. Like Bubly sparkling water or blue denim, for example.

  • MycoBro@lemmy.world
    581·
    1 year ago

    I’ll never forget the first time I successfully installed arch and got my I3 set up juuust like I wanted it. It felt like I did something. It was great. Fuck you!

  • shrugal@lemm.ee
    391·
    1 year ago

    No way the Fedora user figured out how to configure partitions in the installer without having to google it at least five times! I’ve installed Fedora a few times over the years, and that UI still makes no sense to me!

    • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      Lol I end up just opening gparted, do my stuff, then go and set the partitions in the installer

    • krakenx@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      I switched a friend from Ubuntu to Fedora specifically because the partition setup during Fedora install is so good. (It was during a new build)

      • thatgirlwasfire@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        Yeah for some reason whenever i try and install Ubuntu, the installer only sees the primary NVME drive if one is installed. Haven’t had that issue with any other distro

      • Faresh@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Huh. I had the complete opposite experience. I found fedora’s manual partitioner to be the worst of any distro I’ve ever used (I had trouble understanding it and it always ended up giving me some weird error when trying to finalize the partitioning step). I think I just ended up ditching fedora’s default manual partition manager.

  • 404@lemmy.zip
    35·
    1 year ago

    I actually encoutered this the other day.

    Me: “Yeah I need reliability for work and sometimes I just don’t have time to repair stuff. Last time I was on rolling release some update fucked my system right before an important deadline”

    Other person: “It wOn’T bReAk If YoU UndErStANd iT”

    ._.

    Anyway stable is awesome

    • rambaroo@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      Yep and that’s why I refuse to use rolling distros. I don’t need the latest update of everything to game. Give me a stable system any day instead.

      Debian or openSUSE Leap for me.

  • cpw@lemmy.ca
    311·
    1 year ago

    Debian guy could have just downloaded the nonfree installer that includes some common wifi and other hardware firmwares. There are some pragmatists at Debian.

      • n00b001@lemmy.world
        11·
        1 year ago

        Well… Say that to my live USB I tried booting off of a machine with a very modern nVidia card. I had to create a new boot entry to disable nouveau and install nVidia proprietary graphics into a persistent partition.

        I understand nVidia is shit, and doesn’t play nice with others. But my point is - it’s not always that easy. (I thought it would be! I lost many hours, and pulled out lots of hair!)

          • n00b001@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            It’s not related to secure boot (I have that disabled) it’s related to nouveu drivers not supporting the 4090 (yet)

    • _cnt0@sh.itjust.worksOP
      4·
      1 year ago

      Not in the good old days. Back in 2000something I built a custom installer image with a backported kernel from testing and some firmware to get debian installed on a new laptop.

    • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      1 year ago

      All my peripherals, NICs, and basic services worked out of the box. I had games up and running in fifteen minutes.

      Mine’s not technically stock fedora, but still.

    • umbrella@lemmy.ml
      2·
      1 year ago

      I barelt have to fix anything at all in Ubuntu/Fedora type distros unless I want to do different/specific stuff.

  • Mango@lemmy.world
    23·
    1 year ago

    I’ve tried Arch before. I don’t really remember it being a hassle. I’ve even installed Gentoo but never used it. Sabayon was the good shit.

  • fl42v@lemmy.ml
    23·
    1 year ago

    If that’s a first install, then sure. Otherwise… There was a speedrun installing arch under 2 min…

    • bitwolf@lemmy.one
      1·
      1 year ago

      How does that work? Do they count user interaction time only by pausing the timer during package downloads?

      Or do you need fast internet to play?

      • fl42v@lemmy.ml
        2·
        1 year ago

        Not that I remember finding any rules, so that’s mostly just messing around; technically you can quickly setup your own mirrors in LAN, although I don’t remember if that was done. Stuff was mostly about knowing what to type and blindly pre-typing next commands while previous are still in action

  • netwren@lemmy.world
    15·
    1 year ago

    Honestly this is the reason I want an immutable build of Arch like NixOS.

    Let me roll back my mistakes and I could live more happily with rolling release.

    • seaQueue@lemmy.world
      8·
      1 year ago

      When I started using Arch I just set it up on a btrfs filesystem and wrote a simple btrbk hook to take a snapshot before any package updates. That made it trivial to unfuck anything that broke after an update. I can’t remember the last time I had to roll the system back but it’s nice for peace of mind.

      • CarlosCheddar@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        That’s quite clever, are there any guides for getting that set up? I’m using btrfs but haven’t gotten into snapshotting yet.

        • seaQueue@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 year ago

          Start by playing with subvolumes and snapshots so you can get a feel for how they work. Once you’ve got that down you can break down your root filesystem into sensible subvolume chunks (/, /home, /var/log, /var/cache etc) so that you only snapshot relevant content during each update. I wrote a btrbk config at that point, tested it a few times and then wrote a pacman hook to fire it on install, update or package remove events and went from there.

          Here’s what I use to take snapshots - you’ll need to write an appropriate btrbk config file for your subvolume layout but it’s otherwise feature complete. https://gitlab.com/arglebargle-arch/btrbk-autosnap

          Like I mentioned above, I haven’t actually needed to roll the system back in ages but I get a lot of mileage out of being able to reach back in time and grab old versions of files for comparison.

          Time shift is a lot easier if you’re just starting out but it also requires a specific subvolume structure and isn’t very flexible.

          Edit: pro tip: don’t make /var a separate subvolume from /, it’s way, way, way too easy to roll one or the other (/ or /var) back without the other. If you do that by accident pacman’s state becomes out of sync with the running system and everything breaks. Stick to splitting frequently rewritten data like /var/cache and /var/log off, leave /var itself in the root subvolume.

    • PainInTheAES@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      I feel like I keep posting this everywhere but there’s a project called AstOS that attempts this. Also someone clued me in on this distro neutral solution. AshOS. Full disclosure I haven’t used either.

        • PainInTheAES@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Oh totally fair, it doesn’t have a huge maintainer base for sure. But it’ll never be anyone’s daily driver if no one knows about it.

      • takeda@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        It looks like solutions like these miss the whole point of what Nix is trying to do. Nix comes with the belief: “Unix has some fundamental issues, because it was designed in specific way. If we store things differently it works really well, and we even get those cool properties for free”.

        The authors of those projects instead of thinking “this looks interesting, and it is a paradigm shift but it might be worth to to try feel like Linux noob for some time and start thinking a bit differently how the file system is structured to see if this change is really worth it”

        Instead it is: “I don’t need to be PhD in Computer Science (whatever that means), here is how I can force this Nix feature or two on traditional Linux, with ansible, bubble gum and some duct tape and make it immutable-ish, which fails sometimes but, hey, it has the same feature on paper.”

        • PainInTheAES@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Well to be fair I think it’s because they aren’t trying to be NixOS. You could leverage those arguments against any distro that’s trying out an immutable flavor. Which is mostly accomplished through btrfs features.

          I agree that Nix/NixOS does a lot more and it’s a genuinely impressive and paradigm shifting project but it does break with traditional Linux layouts and thinking in a way that immutability doesn’t necessarily have to do.

          You could also make the same argument with the systemd and non-systemd crowd.

          Either way I look forward to the future of both immutability projects and NixOS. I feel like both areas still need a bit of work but they’re both really exciting fields.

      • netwren@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        Well yeah obviously like NixOS. My reason for not using it is that they use a non standard Linux filesystem and it renders a # of packages I want to install incompatible.

        • iopq@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Which packages?

          1. Check nixpkgs unstable, they might have been added in the last few months before stable release
          2. Try steam-run, it will run binaries like you’re in a normal distro

          I ended up packaging the thing myself, actually. The best part is my pull request was approved and I was able to contribute my work

    • takeda@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      I love it, because you can also get best out of both worlds in relation to the comic discusses. You can personalize OS to your liking, and the entire configuration is in a file, so you can redeploy the same setup again.