• Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    What Isreal has been doing to the palistinians for several decades :

    • Ethnic cleansing.
    • Stealing their land and demolishing their houses to put fucking settlers.
    • HATE CRIMES
    • a genocide every few years
    • bombing civilians targeting civilians, schools and hospitals

    I bet the freaking party was on fucking stolen land too.

    Freedom to palestine.

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      Sorry not playing your stupid game of who is worse and whataboutism

      Both are doing horrible things to people. We should highlight each of those. If you think one action justify the other, you will get in a vicious circle And we should fight for human rights, not against each other.

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        Hamas are fighting for their freedom. They’re killing/kidnapping civilians because Isreal has been doing it for decades and been cheered for it. Massacre can go both ways.

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            It’s called fight for freedom. The fuck are they supposed to do ? accept being massacre , just wait for the next bomb to kill their entire family ? Wtf ?

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              That’s a very difficult question to answer but they’re doing it your way and now there’s just more massacre on both sides with seemingly no end in sight. Is it really freedom if everyone is dead?

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                Have you ever read about any colonized country ? The colonizers commited the most heinous acts to the natives and when they inevitably insurge they’d massacre them. These countries are free because they fought until they become free. Death is inevitable until freedom is gained.

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                  I see your point but there’s gotta be a better example. The natives didn’t have any allies that could stand up to the colonizers or even a way to ask for outside help. Today, we have the internet.

                  I’m just spitballing here in my privileged American home, but if Hamas was vocal about not stooping to Israel’s civilian-killing level, and did major damage to a political building without harming anyone, that could have given Palestinians more sympathy on the world stage. Even if it’s the thing that “must be done for survival”, it’s really hard to be on the side of innocent killing. I personally can’t be on either side of this conflict, and many feel the same.

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                    So the the several decades of massacre, ethnic cleansing , forced land seizing and house demolishing to give to fucking settlers that Isreal has been commiting towards the Palestinian was okey ? When palistinians attack the fucking settlers that stole their land it’s too much ?

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                    Today, we have the internet.

                    LOL

                    but if Hamas was vocal about not stooping to Israel’s civilian-killing level, and did major damage to a political building without harming anyone, that could have given Palestinians more sympathy on the world stage.

                    How? their rockets barely do anything. The only way for them to do damage is a ground invasion, and for that to happen they’d need the help of radicalized Gazans, and those Gazans will 100% do harm to civilians.

                    Plus “sympathy on the world stage” isn’t worth two Qasam rockets.

                    Even if it’s the thing that “must be done for survival”, it’s really hard to be on the side of innocent killing. I personally can’t be on either side of this conflict, and many feel the same.

                    It doesn’t matter, if you’re a citizen of the US or Europe, then you’re automatically assigned to the occupation terrorists side by your government. Hamas wasn’t looking for your support, because you can do nothing, only your glorious supreme leader can.

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          that’s a kindergarten level of doing things. “uuuuuuugh you did that to me imma do the same for you uuuuuuugh”. that’s straight up pathetic.

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          Your argumentation is pretty shortened. Its the same argument if somebody say, Israel is fighting for its freedom after anti semitic movements and nazism in central and eastern europe.

          There are no rights, when it comes to harming innocent civilians.

          Edit: On both sides of course, same.goes for the army of Israel and not helping civilians.

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            Isreal is killing civilians deliberately to punish them for their fight freedom. Colonizers in the past used this tactic with every country they colonized. The colonizer must not feel safe in the land he’s stealing. The colonizer need to fucking leave.

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          Better start another war to remove them. That’ll work. Even if that were true it ignores the reality it’s there now.

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            Earth is dying, ressources depleting and temperature are rising. Do you expect a bright future ahead ? By 2050, the Middle East will have unbearable heat waves and it will be getting worse from there. It’s there now , yes, but doubt it’ll be there in the next century. Most humanity either, but that’s a bonus.