• Vanon@lemmy.world
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          For me, I felt the biggest change around 2016 (in the US, coinciding with Cult 45 and Russian disinfo farms). There was definitely another enormous surge of insanity during COVID shutdowns (coinciding with a boom of social media grifters and moderation failures).

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      “There’s no evidence for evolution”

      So where’d we come from?

      “God made us!”

      And how’d he do that?

      “He picked up a handful of dust and breathed life into it”

      And what proof do you have of this?

      “The bible says so”

      Is that all?

      “It’s all you need!”

      And that makes sense to you?

      “Of course! Where else would we have come from? Monkeys? lol, that’s insane!

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        Its not, really. The reality is that there is no respect for preserving clarity. Powerful interest groups decided that muddying the waters was the best way preserve their interests. This became easier with the current explosion of tech and social media

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    So…there really has been some massive psy-op done on us all,right? Make us dumber and take us out. Seems like it.

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      Republicans have consistently voted to reduce funding to public education, etc, yes.

      Specifically to make people dumber and more susceptible to their bullshit. While also increasing the overall supply of cheap labor.

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      So it’s pretty established science that RNA doesn’t become part of your genome right? That’s just not a thing that happens, which is why we don’t have to worry about mRNA vaccines altering our genomes.

      Is that the scientific consensus?

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      Climate change will do this. No additional conspiracy required.

      There’s research showing people get incrementally less intelligent as oxygen ratios get worse. There’s also research showing that plants (which really all of our food depends on one way or another) become less nutritious and more sugary/starchy as carbon dioxide ratios rise. That’s before we even factor in things like endocrine disruption from plastic particulate ubiquity and dozens of other pollutant effects.

      We really are the frog in the slowly boiling pot, and even when citing sources on this kind of thing people would rather argue about it. 🤷‍♂️ (I’m not going to bother. Can be looked up easily enough if you’re so inclined.)

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        There’s research showing people get incrementally less intelligent as oxygen ratios get worse.

        And I thought the Lead Generation thing was bad, we’re fucked.

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    This really feels like one of those curves where the edges on both sides would have similar conclusions.

    On one end you have stupid people and partisan folks denying ‘science’ because it disagrees with their gut about vaccines and 6,000 year old dinosaurs.

    But on the other you have people actually in academia broadly aware of institutional issues from the optimization around pressure to publish that’s led to everything from falsified papers across multiple domains, several reproducibility crises, journals previously highly respected publishing papers that are either retracted or very questionable, failures to properly report conflicts of interest, etc.

    Science as a methodology is great and awesome and a very valuable thing for society, but there are real concerns with institutional issues surrounding it right now that unfortunately are probably going to get ignored as people circle the wagons to defend it against criticisms from abject morons upset it isn’t validating BS.

    If the past few years have taught me anything, it’s that what seems an innate biological bias humans have to see things as binary opposites with a side to be picked as opposed to a multidimensional gradient with nuances is going to kill us all.

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      I actually find the various crises around science a good thing. It means that people are paying attention and are aware of scandals and issues, which gives me more hope of something changing because of it.

      Contrast that with a system that never changes because it’s perfect – I know what I find more trustworthy.

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        Yeah, every sufficiently big group has unethical folks in it.

        It’s when the group never condemns insider and even defends them when obvious misdeeds happen, where you need to be extra wary.

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    I think the subtext of the polling, that poor and minority folks report lower rates of trust in “science”, seems to be about the way that science doesn’t occur in a vacuum, it occurs within power structures and when you’re on the lower rungs of any system of power, that will shape your opinions about it.

    My read on this is that when “science” becomes the sphere of mega-corporations and pharma giants, on some level it’s going to occur to your everyday folk as a tool of oppression more than as a boon to civilization.