Google slows down Firefox users when watching YouTube…
This reminds me of Elon Musk when he started artificially slowing down links to websites he doesn’t like… https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/15/twitter-x-links-delayed/
Must have learned that from his role model, Putin.
I know everyone wants to be mad, and I’m no fan of Google. But this is almost certainly an unintentional bug.
Google, more than anything, wants watch hours for ad money. They don’t want you frustrated by the alow ux. They want you watching advertisements.
I could believe this, but if google doesn’t want me to be frustrated on youtube, why do they make it so annoying?
Pushing youtubetv in annoying new ways, putting ads in the middle of songs, serving ads with frustrating frequency, using multiple types of ads so your brain can’t just tune out until you hit skip, locking basic functions like add to playlist behind premium accounts.
From their behavior it sure looks like they want me to be annoyed.
They want you making money from them. So watching ads and paying subscription fees. If you aren’t doing either of those things, you’re causing them to lose money. So yeah, they’re gonna make it annoying.
wants watch hours for ad money
Ads which can still be blocked fairly easily on Firefox, unlike in Chrome, which is banning ublock(& likely all other blockers) browser-wide next year. They want to make the firefox experience worse so people have a reason to go back to their ad infested browser.
Nah this doesn’t make sense. You, and everyone else, will sit through five seconds of loading vs watching an ad. You know this, Google know this.
Occams razor is at play here. If they want to to be conspiratorial, they have better and smarter ways to do it.
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I think it’s naive to think google would do this, which is so easily bypassed, when they have so many better options that wouldn’t get the European courts frothing. Again, occams razor
As someone else posted, it’s very much intentional: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/whenever_i_open_a_youtube_video_in_a_new_tab_its/k9w3ei4/
Unfortunately not. It’s intentional as someone else looked to the explanation below
If they are able to make you switch, you become a heck of a lot more profitable long term as they’re able to collect a loooot more data
Probably connected to them forcing v3 on chrome soon, which will gimp down completely ublock on chrome.
Ah, even more reason for me to use less Youtube.
Been substituting it with Nebula, Odysee, and just watching less video content.
Try FreeTube viewer, still in alpha but already works great. You can create profiles with the channels you want in each one.
On mobile (Android) you have NewPipe, GrayJay or SkyTube.
LibreTube is another option for Android. On iOS you can use Yattee with this guide.
Invidious and Piped work in the browser, you can combine them with LibRedirect to automatically redirect all YouTube links. LibRedirect is great, you can also use it to redirect other websites, e.g. Twitter -> Nitter, Reddit -> Teddit, etc.
How many of these just use YouTube under the hood?
Or any of these actually host their own videos? And if they host their own, wouldn’t they be missing like millions of videos only available on YouTube?
These are all better ways to access YouTube, they don’t host any videos themselves. If you want a YouTube alternative, check out PeerTube
Has space bar stopped working for anyone else with Youtube? I keep spamming it and it sometimes doesn’t work.
Us j, k, l (-10s, play/pause, +10s). Does not require player focus.
Wait its not just me?
I had a feeling this was Youtube fuckery.
Guys relax. Most of the ‘research’ comes from this reddit post: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/whenever_i_open_a_youtube_video_in_a_new_tab_its/k9w3ei4/
It points out following code in youtube’s polymer script:
setTimeout(function() { c(); a.resolve(1) }, 5E3);But exactly this code does show up on a stock installation of chrome too, and it does not check for the user agent. One of the responses goes a bit deeper into what the code above could do: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/whenever_i_open_a_youtube_video_in_a_new_tab_its/ka08uqj/
It is rather clear, that this code is not aimed at firefox users to slow down their loading time.
Mine instantly loads. Perhaps there’s some other stuff going on with hardware/software or something this person is running?
Same, I am not facing any issues too.
I use YT every day and use Firefox as my main browser. I’ve never experienced this. Just tested out of curiosity, it loads fine.
Yeah it appears on chrome as well. There isn’t any evidence that it’s purposely “slowing down” anything. I had a quick glance at the Reddit thread (been avoiding it as much as possible, but had to visit in incognito to confirm the source for this outrage) and it looks like it’s part of a small script to check if an adblocker is present and disabling video ads from playing.
It’s possible FF have a delay in playing that first video, but also the test methodology isn’t super reliable because of caching.
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Use Piped or Invidious, it also bypasses ads and tracking. It works best in combination with LibRedirect, which you can configure to automatically redirect all YouTube links to Piped or Invidious.
Can I set this up so I can still browse my YouTube recommended and only redirect when I select the actual video?
You can exclude https://youtube.com/ in the LibRedirect settings. For some reason that doesn’t seem to work though, but you can always click on the LibRedirect icon in the extension toolbar and hit ‘Redirect to Original’. You can also set up a keybinding for that.
Freetube has been the biggest life improvement on how I consume YouTube. The fact that it gets better recommendations and I can list my subscriptions in an easy way, even import them is something I miss in all the rest of alternatives.
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Any difference between Piped and NewPipe?
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NewPipe is an Android app that allows you to watch YouTube videos without ads or tracking. It exposes your IP to Google servers though. Piped consists of a web client and a backend server, it uses the NewPipeExtractor on the server to load the video as well as all the metadata from Google servers and then serves it to you through the web client. That way, you don’t have to connect to Google, only the Piped server communicates with YouTube servers.
I wonder what would happen if Google manages to destroy itself with increasing shenanigans like this.
I mean, so much of digital based stuff relies on them for some extent.
First thing that comes to mind is user agent spoofer. Anyway I say let them, it’s their company with userbase content and it’s based in US. They can do whatever they want with it because terms of service. I can just look at my sexy John Oliver poster on the wall for 30 min and replace their service.
First thing that comes to mind is user agent spoofer.
If we all go ahead and spoof our user agents to Chrome, Google will say ‘No one uses Firefox’. Use better solutions like Invidious and Piped in combination wit LibRedirect instead.
Yeah cheers. I’ve been using Invidious and NewPipe for a while now…:-)
It’s actually how the discovered this, user agent was changed to chrome and it was no longer slowed down
I’m not signed in, bitches, your ploy does not work here.
