The entire userbase of the Fediverse is a rounding error for Meta. We aren’t significant.
True, I think Threads got 10 millions subscribers in 7 hours.
i read earlier today that they’re up to 30m
I wonder how many of those are bots
I think Zuck underestimates how disgusting his userbase behaves. I really don’t want to read the shit I had to flee from back in the day.
I think he knows, he just doesn’t care, as he probably benefits from it. 🤷
Letting Facebook have any sort of success in Lemmy is such a bad idea, they burn everything they touch.
As much as possible, corporate interest and action on social media needs to be exposed and dismantled. Capitalism is inherently antisocial and comes with a bunch of social hierarchies and unquestionable “accepted” inequalities embedded within. Plus I don’t enjoy trawling through miles of boring carbon copy jokes and endless attempts at edgy right-wing tinged “humour”. The cancerous spread of fascistic “freedom of speech” culture that defies the logic of the concept destroyed reddit.
trawling through miles of boring carbon copy jokes
That was the worst part of Reddit for me. Looking for answers and getting nothing but shit posts or people flaming
yeah him and his 30 million users
*70 million as of this evening
Edit: providing source https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-07/meta-s-threads-has-70-million-signups-surprising-zuckerberg
Yes please defederate this shit and leave us alone
Defederate from, and anybody who federates with Meta. Fuck Meta/Zuck, they are enshittification incarnate.
Absolutely. Defederate and boycott instances that federate with meta
Honestly one needs to look at the economic ensentives in order to understand metas goals.
Meta does not make any money from content on the federverse. Therefore, they have no reason to support its growth or future. In fact I would go as far as to say that they actually are going to try and EEE.
They aren’t going to try to EEE. ActivityPub was just an easy protocall to build off of quickly. They don’t care about the fediverse. They have almost zero incentive to waste effort trying to destroy it, plus it’s open source, so worst case we just fork it and move on.
What do you mean by EEE?
Tbh I’m seeing a lot of Mastodon instances Admins saying they wont defederate Threads straight away; they want to see what Meta does/demands of all over instances first. The instance I’m part of (Fossotodon) is also doing the “wait and see” tactic.
BUT I strongly suspect most will end up defederating with Threads within a week due to Meta’s shit moderation.
Wtf. What possible good thing do they expect to see from meta?
People. Most of the people using Threads are not garbage just because Meta is.
I’ll likely be personally blocking the entire instance the day they connect with ActivityPub.
I mean Threads isn’t even starting in the EU yet, bc they can’t comply with the GDPR. Nothing good can come of this.
Ehhhhhhhh yeah they can stay over there. Totally free to join us here though, separately, on another account. They are the dark side, with the cookies and all. We have beans. Better nutrition.
Threads does not really want or care about our tiny userbase. They want the normies and they want to OWN most of the marketshare of this protocol
What instance hasn’t defederated from threads honestly
Fucking Mastodon
Fosstodon had the balls to not sell out
Also Meta has not federated yet but said they will in the future so any “defederation” from instances is just a declaration of future plans since there is nothing to cut off yet
My instance hasn’t defederated from anywhere. This is exactly why I chose vlemmy
exploding-heads even? Yikes
I don’t know what they did but I want to be in control of what I get to see. Unless it’s anything illegal I’d rather not let someone else choose for me
So he actually made one?
Here’s the thing though:
If we don’t defederate, the users can subscribe to our communities and get involved and make them stronger as they become the official go to places. We can always crush it later if it becomes a hassle.
If we defederate immediately, the users will make their own communities which will quickly leave ours in the dirt as the larger ones of the Fediverse.
Just a thought.
What does this mean? I don’t get it.
Basically Zucc knows that fediverse (Mastodon/Lemmy) is a serious competitor, so instead of fighting it - he joined it. And named it “Threads” or smth (I don’t know and I don’t want to know)
The problem is that everyone bullied Zucc and “dropped him from their friend circles”. No one wants to be friends with Zucc. 🤷😂
The dangerous part is that he can start bribing admins of large instances to federate Threads. I’m not sure how one would practically defend against something like this. The only way I can think of would be for an admin to be so ideologically opposed to Meta that they would refuse even $1m to federate. But such people are rare.
I mean, you could create your own instance and not have to worry.
That could help. But then we need:
- More instances.
- A more uniform distribution of users. (as opposed to people flocking to just one or a couple of instances)
The way I understand it: -you are somewhat at the mercy of the instance where you have your account(aka your home instance) -if your home instance defederates assholes.com, you can still see their posts but cannot vote or comment on assholes.com -you can get around this by creating a second account on assholes.com. You’ll just have to remember to switch accounts
(Where is that guy on YouTube to explain this stuff)
I thought defederation meant that you wouldn’t be able to see the posts either? For example, quite a few Lemmy instances defederated lemmynsfw.com because they didn’t want their users seeing NSFW content.
I don’t think Threads need the fediverse to survive or thrive.
And correct me if I’m wrong but I think Mastodon’s biggest instances don’t mind federating with Threads.
What’s with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that’s going to bring a bunch of people with it. “Normies” will probably never use Mastodon or Lemmy but might use Threads, so being able to communicate with them while staying on my little community-ran Mastodon instance is a win for the fediverse in my book. And if somebody’s annoying or whatever, you can always block them, right? Can somebody clarify why people think everyone should automatically defederate with them and lose such a big userbase? I mean, I hate Facebook/Meta as much as the next guy, but more users are more users…
What’s with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that’s going to bring a bunch of people with it.
It’s because corporations will embrace, extend, and extinguish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Allowing corporations to have any level of control will result in this place dying.
It doesn’t even have to be extinguishing. It’s bad enough if meta can reap the benefits of associating with FOSS (better privacy for example), while making their app the gateway to the fediverse. And of course that app will be spyware with social media on top. It’s like greenwashing.
Somebody posted an article here a few days ago about the ways big corporations kill Open source software. The broad overview was essentially that they’ll adopt the standard, then expand on it to create a more feature rich walled garden. Then they axe the connections to the original protocols when they have critical mass, and begin the enshittification process. If meta is allowed to succeed in the Fediverse, it’s the first step to meta owning any worthwhile platforms in the Fediverse.
Threads owned by Zuck, which has both a “for-profit” and “unethical” mindset. In my opinion this mindset isn’t fit for the fediverse in the place where it is now (people actually care about the community). Users will always come, we don’t need papa Zuck for that. Healthy communities grow naturally, and I feel like the fediverse community is healthy enough.
If I wanted to hear what people who use FB products had to say, I’d be on those platforms
Nobody said anything about FB users. I have seen a bunch of people I follow on Twitter trying to move to Threads. And if I could just completely abandon Twitter and communicate with these people I follow via Mastodon, I’d rather choose for them to move there instead. And nobody’s making you talk to them if you don’t want to, right? We are talking about ~being able~ to talk to them, not having to.
And I didn’t say anything about talking to them
I’m sure there’s no profit motive for Meta to confederate.
They do have a profit motive, because meta is in competition with lemmy for people’s time and attention. The more attention/time/views meta gets, the better for them. So it is in their interest to find a way to create their own instance, make it the most popular one, and then use that popularity to shut out all other instances, effectively killing them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Meta is a “for profit” company, so every move they make is for profit and planned with their shareholders/board of directors, to approve their moves. These people only see $$$, sad but true.
So only people without profit motive can beat part of it… Change is scary I guess
Won’t someone think of the corporate investors that need to make money on my memes?
