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    But the original creation cost time and money, which you’re not reimbursing the creator for. The moral thing to do is to pay your share of that if you make a copy, even if the copy itself doesn’t cost anything.

    It’s like going to a concert without paying the entrance fee. Sure it’s not a big deal if only one person does it, but the concert couldn’t even happen if everyone acted like this, or the organizers would have to pay for it all by themselves.

    If you want to morally justify piracy then start with the ridiculous earnings and monopolies of big media companies, or the fact that they will just remove your access to media you “bought”. Piracy is like stealing, but sometimes stealing is the right thing to do.

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      The moral thing to do is to pay your share of that if you make a copy, even if the copy itself doesn’t cost anything.

      under what ethical system?

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        Mine, obviously. But feel free to correct me if you disagree with something.

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          there’s no reason to believe what you claimed. a claim made without justification can be dismissed without justification.

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            What unjustified claim did I make that you disagree with? Seems all rather uncontroversial to me.

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              The moral thing to do is to pay your share of that if you make a copy, even if the copy itself doesn’t cost anything.

              i don’t need to disagree to disbelieve. i do disagree, but without establishing your justification for this claim, it’s kind of hard to argue against it.

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                The justification was that creating things has a cost, even if a copy doesn’t, and that we should distribute that cost as fairly as possible among the people benefiting from the creation.

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            They made a justification. They showed you how people couldn’t make these things without people paying for them.

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              They showed you how people couldn’t make these things without people paying for them.

              but that’s not true. people make things all the time without being paid.

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                people make things all the time without being paid.

                Less people make things without being paid than those who make things to get paid. That is a common fact we can both agree on. If you need the number of open source games compared to the number of paid games then I recommend you grab those numbers yourself.

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                    You are equating someone’s terrible hobby project to paid games like it’s 1 to 1. You are simply arguing in bad faith. Have a good day though, hopefully, one day we can converse properly.

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                  github shows a hundred thousand repositories for the query “hangman”. assuming 10% of them are false positives it’s still a great number.

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                  there are over one hundred fifty thousand results on github for “tictactoe”.

                  just how many paid games do you think there are, by the way?

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                  this doesn’t prove anyone ever needs to be paid to make something. a single counter example disproves the claim.

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      It’s like going to a concert without paying the entrance fee. Sure it’s not a big deal if only one person does it, but the concert couldn’t even happen if everyone acted like this

      That’s a systemic problem, something I wouldn’t personally care about. The “system” is just so horribly screwed up and skewed against us that I just no longer care if it works or not.

      If you want to morally justify piracy then start with the ridiculous earnings and monopolies of big media companies, or the fact that they will just remove your access to media you “bought”. Piracy is like stealing, but sometimes stealing is the right thing to do.

      This rubs me the wrong way too, yes. Though I’m really beyond moral justifications, I just stopped caring.