It seems like common sense to make guns have the same requirements as cars. You need to pass a short course and get a license. I don’t understand what is unclear about the 2nd amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Right there, in the text: “Well regulated”.
Well regulated, as in well maintained. Additionally, it is a conditional clause providing the context for its existence. Taking this legal approach has never worked in court. The Constitution was written to be changed for a reason but we are afraid to or it is opposed.
It’s not a matter of fear. It’s a matter of not being able to get the votes. It’s not a simple majority to make a major change like that and it should not be.
The fear is from the politicians that have historically been voted out for supporting the legislation. It is also why a Constitutional Convention would likely be an absolute shitshow and never be ratified.
And you can, it seems, I mean if you want to, you can amend it…
Part of it is the wording is “(justification for the amendment) (actual limitation on the governments power)” so the reason the government shall not infringed on the right to bear arms is because that supports the creation of well regulated militias necessary to secure a free state.
Just absolutely mind boggling how frequently this happens and literally nothing is being done about it. What a sick country.
They ARE doing something about it.
Financing the whole thing!
Which is, sadly, working very well.
“They ARE doing something about it. Financing the whole thing!”.
No they are not. You seem also out of control, buddy.
It’s all a mix of the second ammendment, their interpretation & execution of that law, a dominant military and guns lobby system (Billionaire$); people loving their guns, no access to good (mental) health care, which allthogether is holding their country hostage, imho.
So yeah, its all out of control. And nothing has changed, except that it’s getting worse.
add.(mental) healthcare
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No they are not
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It’s all a mix of the second ammendment, their interpretation & execution of that law, a dominant military and guns lobby system (Billionaire$); people loving their guns, no access to good (mental) health care, which allthogether is holding their country hostage, imho.
LOL
He is not that wrong, after all switzerland too have guns and they control it with ease. They even celebrate a gun festival. where children practice shooting.
New York has more people than Switzerland.
That’s why we use per capita for statistics like this. It doesn’t matter who has more people if you adjust for population. Now, you could argue density is the problem, but in less dense places in the US the rate is even higher, so…
Excellent mental gymnastics, color me impressed. You’ve almost made me think Switzerland is the USA.
I am not saying there swiss policies will fix USA, but why not tust try! They are not even trying to fix this shitness.
New york have more people than Switzerland. but they also have 3x the money too!!
Great idea. Let’s make the USA a small homogeneous group and see what happens.
Great idea. Let’s make the USA a small homogeneous group and see what happens.
And somehow some people are going to use this as reasoning that they need more guns to defend themselves.
“We’ve tried nothing, and we’re all out of ideas!”
Isn’t that just how you celebrate out there? I thought The Purge was a documentry.
Every time I ask this question:
What lae do you propose, that didn’t already exist, wouldn’t violate the Bill of Rights, and wouldn’t cause a civil war?
Most of the time I either get answers that include laws that exist that the government doesn’t enforce, or a “fuck the constitution, let’s have a civil war!”
For example the army is supposed to report people discharged distribution to the NCIS. They don’t.
The ATF is supposed to follow up when a banned individual tries to buy a gun. They don’t.
The ATF is supposed to check on people when gun dealers report them for attempted straw purchases. They don’t.
Know someone who had illegal weapons? Call the police and see what they do. Here’s a hint: nothing
So, does anyone have one?
Ah lots of statements not backed in fact here. Mr Monkey is an accelerationist. Bye now.
For all its foibles and peculiarities, the US’ apparently almost fetishistic relationship with guns is far and away the hardest for me to understand as an outside observer.
The fireworks on the 4th of July are to represent the firearms and cannons citizens owned and used in rebellion towards a tyrannical government.
That concept is written into our constition or declaration of being a country, and passed down into our myths and celebrations.
Trust me, I live here and I don’t get it either. And when you ask people they’ll tell you they have guns because other people have guns so they need it for protection. So you guys all have guns because you’re scared other people have guns?? Great recipe.
Play by the rules of the game you’re playing.
Not the rules of the game you want to play.
If only the crazies have guns, they’re going to start acting a lot crazier. Does it magically make everything safer to have your own? Obviously not. Statistically you’re more likely to shoot yourself.
But until we pass actual gun control, it’s hard to judge someone for having a gun.
I bought my first gun right after the fat dipshit won the 2016 election. I realized that there were many more hateful, violent, dumbasses here than I’d ever imagined. I lived in a very red county at the time and I didn’t think it was impossible that they might “leak” lists of registered non-Republican voters’ info along with stochastic terroristic speech like “it’d be nice if my supporters who also support the 2nd amendment could do something about these misguided people.”
I’m less worried about that now for various reasons, but we’re not completely out of the fascist woods yet. There’s a deep, festering rot and we’ve only treated symptoms. Until we address campaign finance, education funding, disinformation, and stronger market regulation and trust busting, we’re just kicking the can down the road.
Why not buy a bulletproof vest instead? Fighting fire with fire is not always the most efficient…
I remember seeing some sort of huge bulletproof blanket used by Japanese police to apprehend armed peoples. They hide behind that blanket and run towards the gunner to wrap them in it. The good side is that the gunner can be arrested alive for trial.
I don’t know if it was just a concept or of its really in use…
You already know who are the problem. The USA is cloaca maxima
Meanwhile, over 500 people have been killed by police in 2023 so far, and yet we never hear the president comment on that. Maybe we should be disarming the police?
Maybe disarm everyone?
Why? Lots of people have guns, and almost all of them are never a problem to anyone. Perhaps we should look into why violence happens and address those root causes and of course disarm the police because their only purpose is violence.
I would agree if gun regulation wasn’t proven to work 8n every other country on the planet. With that mountain of evidence, maybe it’s time to stop with the what aboutism and pretending it isn’t part of the problem.
Everyone having guns is the sole reason there’s so many police shootings. Nothing is going to change until the general population is unarmed.
What an insane take. Plenty of police shootings are on unarmed individuals. Moreover, having an unarmed populace wouldn’t prevent police shootings when the core cause of police brutality isn’t addressed. They demand control and obedience; you being unarmed doesn’t make them any less likely to shoot you if you’re not being obedient.
That’s not a “take” that’s reality lol
US cops have to always assume that someone can be armed given the insane amount of guns and ease of access. That is directly correlated with the wide spread use of lethal force.
Cops in countries with sane gun laws, for example the UK, can safely assume the average citizen does not have a gun on them.
It’s used as an excuse. If people weren’t armed, they’d find another excuse. That’s what I mean by not addressing the underlying problem of police brutality and abuse of power. Also, they’ll always say they thought someone had a gun even when they know almost for certain the person didn’t, because they know you’ll buy it.
What other excuse? Guns are literally the main issue…
You can have the best police training programs in the world, but if the population is heavily armed and unregulated you’re still going to have ton of police shootings.
Of course they always say “thought we saw a gun”. Guns are so numerous they have to assume the worst else the chances of getting shot goes way up.
The president again parrots “assault rifle” and magazine capacity bans, which only pushes actual reform further out of reach. We lack a centralized database of ownership, private sale registration but we are able to keep a computer database of prescription medications so a kid doesn’t get his Adderall a day early. We register cars regardless of type of sale and require a license to drive but firearms are freely sold by private sale with no requirements to register or license the user. We suspend driving privileges for nonpayment of debts, but you are expected to be honest about being a fugitive when filling out ffl forms. If we don’t treat firearms at least as seriously as cars, why does the magazine capacity matter? Why do people who can’t define the term assault rifle calling for reforms based on nuanced features of firearms.
This cycle just repeats. Someone tries to ban magazine size or something they know nothing about and any chance of meaningful reform is over. I would gladly submit to more stringent background checks, registration, and proof of competency. But when the conversation starts out with banning scary black rifles or magazines over 10 rounds I know nothing will change. These suggestions are worthless and make gun owners unwilling to engage.
Imagine we wanted to cut down on traffic crashes so the suggestion is made by someone who does drive to limit fuel tank size or ban “sports cars”. Of course no one can define sports car, and gas tanks don’t make people drive recklessly, but the person proposing the law doesn’t know anything about cars. Car enthusiasts would roll their eyes and consider the attempt a joke. But instead we have speed limits, vehicle registration, driver license requirements, and safety standards that actually make cars safer. You can own a Porsche, but if you break the law your registration will be used to find you and your driver’s license in jeopardy.
Americans aren’t going to give up guns. But there is hope that current technology could better regulate ownership and usage. Unfortunately idiotic hollow statements about magazine size and the assault rifle boogy man make those who could facilitate change look foolish.
Holy fucking shit what a ridiculous country.
Ah yes, land of da free
“Fifteen people were killed and 94 injured across 13 states as well as Washington DC”.
These massshootings are so out of control…
Always have been
This is why we chose to stay home on holidays. I feel bad that my kids are missing out, but I would rather have them miss some fireworks than risk becoming a statistic.
You are paranoid and ruining your children’s childhood for no reason at all. Learn statistics, and incorporate that into your daily life. Hint if you drive a car you are endangering your children way more.
Interesting, you’re telling me to learn statistics, and then you skipped over the leading cause of death for children in the United States.
Try incorporating empathy in your life, and understand it’s not about you. If you don’t have the same concern as others, you don’t have to resort to insults; you can accept that someone else feels differently without trying to hurt them.
So first and foremost, how you raise your children is your business. Also, it really sucks you live in a place where you have to factor can violence into the education of your kids. However, as someone who believes over protecting children can be more harmful than beneficial to them, there is a counter argument to be made.
In a way, the tone of the reply of the other poster might have been more wrong than the content. What I mean by this, is that statistics is a very tricky science to apply to our own reality sometimes. For instance, one could substract the cases of gun violence caused by guns of the own household if you don’t own any guns. Or correct for the area you live in, if this is a place with particularly low or high incidence of gun violence. Or discount the school shooting statistics, if you are only using the statistics as a reason not to let them go to social gatherings.
Again, in no way do I want to tell you what to do, just stating that the same statistics can be used to both support or counter an argument.
I didn’t know “children” included 18 and 19 year olds but not infants.
Regardless, I hope that you and your family were able to enjoy the holiday and feel safe wherever you were. Freedom includes doing what you feel is best, and nobody should fault you for wanting to keep your kids safe.
Guardian needs to speak for itself - I had a great fourth!
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