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    Kiiiiinda hard for South Korea to hear that with a straight face, considering China sided with NK pretty significantly in the Korean War and considers NK an ally (or at least definitely within their sphere of influence) to this day.

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      lol yeah that too! Chinese provided the millions of troops to the North for the invasion didn’t they. And are sustaining the North Korean regime economically to this day.

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    Very unconstructive to pose the world as westerners and not westerners.

    Talk of joining “westerners” and everyone instead and not this polarization

    Russia should be proof enough that humanity doesn’t need rogue states

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    My duality is much more to are you an reasonable person which can be openly self-critical but also are aware of authority bias, or do you join primitive and absurd dualities as this?

    Standard kindergarten polarizarion from the Chinese leadership, nothing new I guess.

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    This is the kind of shit Japan said about its Great East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere when it basically subjugated a lot of its neighbors prior to WWII… I hope history won’t repeat itself in such a way.

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      I came here to mention Japan’s “Asia for Asians” campaign in the early 1900s. Glad to see I’m not the only history nerd commenting on this post!

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    Yeah, East Asia will ally with Beijing when Beijing actually decides to see the rest of East Asia as equals and not just former tributary nations. (Believe me, I’m Chinese, this is unfortunately all too common a superiority complex that Chinese people have.)

    It’s not that they want to be Westerners, it’s that they don’t want to be bullied by the regional superpower, and the other world superpower supports them in resisting Beijing.

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    So China is accepting Japan into their midst and getting all buddy-buddy?
    How very Nanking of them…
    China will never ever consider Japan as an equal or viable partner. Breaking the bond between West and Japan? Sure, they are all about that but being buddies and accepted into China? Never ever happening.

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    The West is so fucked. No more Petro Dollar, not enough time for a working CDBC (I think?), its civilization has been forcefully separated into small individualized groups that are no longer capable of speaking to each other or feeling compassion for each other, capitalist vultures just waiting to profit off of the collapse, politicians are paid, putting on a show, geriatric millionaires are reliving 80s straight to TV political thrillers on cheap stages. Europe is too dependant on the US, the Ukraine war is a meat grinder proxy war. Protests are erupting in France, Switzerland, Belgium and I suspect that’s not the last we’re going to see of mass protests and police brutality in Europe. Meanwhile Western governments are headed to become more authoritarian to stay in power unless Europe turns away from transatlantic submission to face the reality of a multipolar order. I worry there will be lots of conflict from this because certain people want to stay in power. (Not a dog whistle in any specific direction.)

    BRICS is happening. Africa is rising up to flight Western economic colonialism by demanding fair treatment. The current global economic system leads to rising nationalism, people no longer raising kids, social systems failing, slave labor in poor countries, religious radicalism and unnecessary culture clashes (fixable, if anyone in charge actually gave a fuck about proper integration with dignity).

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        You’re free to keep bathing yourself in ignorance. Hope it’s comfy.

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          The western civilization is going to collapse aaaaany moment now… just waaait for it… (1000 years later)… aaaany moment now…

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      I should add that I’m in no way underestimating authoritarian imperialist ambitions of Russia/China as another source for danger to freedom.

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      I should add that I’m in no way underestimating authoritarian imperialist ambitions of Russia/China as another source for danger to freedom.

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    If the USA liked Asia so much, Japan would be in NATO considering how much they’ve waggled their tails after being brutally nuked, twice.

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    This is quite rich for China to ask while constantly complaining about being victimized by Japan during WWII while not a peep has come out of them about the shaming they suffered during Opium wars when western nations effectively carved up China to spheres of influence. Not to mention the seizing of neighbor’s islands and territories through force while proclaiming it as theirs because an insane Chinese monarch once sent out a bunch of rickety boats into the seas centuries ago. I suggest Chinese tidy up their over-all diplomatic messaging and strategy first.

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      while not a peep has come out of them about the shaming they suffered during Opium wars when western nations effectively carved up China to spheres of influence

      This is the underlying reason why they don’t like or trust the west. It’s pretty much their whole MO and why they think Japan and South Korea will rally with them.