• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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    Why the heck and when was the United States considered reliable?

    Reliable in what context?

    Oh I see defensively reliable.

    It might not make a lot of sense to overwhelmingly rely your national defense on a partner separated by an ocean.

    I’m glad the EU is taking more responsibility for their own defense, and I’m also surprised to see so many European leaders acting surprised that they should have to, or the idea of a European defense as a novel idea.

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      The US was considered reliable because, until Trump, both parties had identical foreign policy.

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        Which is actually a bad thing, because it doesn’t give voters a choice.

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        No they didn’t.

        At least, I can’t think of examples of democrats and Republicans having similar foreign policy, outlook strategy or execution.

        You mean specifically in the interests of defending Europe?

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          As an outsider, the US was always very reliable for exporting unfettered liberal capitalism, and exporting “democracy”, whatever the party in power.

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            I can see how the broader export of capitalism could make the us political scene look homogeneous from outside the fish bowl, thanks

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              Not sure if that’s sarcasm or ppl down voted you for nothing 🤷‍♂️

              Ofc outside of the USA, internal politics is not our focus, even though we see regressive policies hurting the population (eg. Abortion). How the us handles foreign policy (not just war and conflicts), it pretty obviously only has its capitalist overlords best interest in mind.

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                That was a genuine response.

                Down votes or upvotes whatever votes.

                I’m trying to relate and understand.

                I don’t agree with the simplified absolutist perspective you’ve put forth, but I understand how you could come to that conclusion and how it would circumstantially appear to be a uniquely American endeavor.

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                  I agree that’s not a full view of America, but for the general population that only hears about the USA through conventional media, I’d say that’s what most people will see and remember.

                  And of course this is only my perspective from my country and my neighbors may very well have a different outlook.

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      EU was basically following US orders to be a vassal under the big military umbrella of the USA and join NATO instead of forming their own strong military. It only started shifting after 9/11. The 2% rule was only introduced in 2014. The 60 years before, USA and Britain were rather pleased certain EU members were not building big armies, it implied promise of peace within…