Hello, some people have told me that it is possible to see lemmy posts from mastodon. To me it makes a lot of sense to have a single app for whole fediverse. However, mastodon is not doing a good job at this.
Each time I look at my mastodon home feed, it is spammed with completely random posts from lemmy which do not even show up in the organised view wefwef/memmy provide. Is there any way how to take care of this?
For lemmy I have found wefwef and memmy to be actually quite good. Interface is simple and easy to use, posts look organised. On mastodon it just feels far worse, especially with lemmy connected.
Are there any alternatives to the official mastodon app that would allow better integration with lemmy? To me it seems logical to have a single app for both platforms as they use the same principle.
Mastodon and Lemmy both use the same underlying protocol, but are fundamentally different types of content with different paradigms for interacting with it.
There are folks working on combining the two into an app or platform - Kbin is one - but mashing the content together is going to give the garbage UX you describe.
I get your point. I see the way of posting is quite different. mastodon has simpler posts.
So if there was a feature to interact via one app with both platforms, it would make more sense to approach this from the lemmy perspective
To be honest, I do not even know what kbin is
Simply merging the two feeds doesn’t make sense. But there are, I’d say, more than one level of integration, all of which are useful.
- Single app that allows you to sign in to both platforms with two accounts. Both platforms are presented in separate views, but you only have one app that also manages all of the peripheral preferences like theme, notifications etc.
- Single app that partially fuses the two platforms without simply providing two completely different views.
- EG … all feeds of communities/magazines can be listed under “groups”, all users under “people”, and all notifications from both platforms (including “DMs”) under one list/feed
- Some special aggregation service that you only need to create one account for but that provides you access to multiple platforms with proxy accounts. IF such a thing were to exist, there’d probably a whole range of possible hacks .
I like this approach!
Kbin is a Lemmy clone that has a mastodon client built in. It uses slightly different terminology (e.g. magazines instead of communities) but is otherwise functionally the same.
So I’ve since gathered that this isn’t true. As I understand, and I could be wrong, Kbin doesn’t provide a feed of the people you follow in the same way mastodon etc do. Instead the microblog view is a view of the comments in all the magazines without being organised under posts. It’s like the “comments” view we have here on lemmy but threaded (I asked if we could have the same here: https://lemmy.ml/post/1932250).
Instead the microblog view is a view of the comments in all the magazines without being organised under posts.
No, that’s absolutely not the case. From the microblog feed, I’m able to find my own posts from Calckey and PixelFed (e.g. https://kbin.social/u/@kichae@pixey.org), neither of which have touched or in any way interacted with n a kbin magazine.
You can follow users on kbin, but AFAICT you don’t have home or local timelines, only federated/global. Instead, these stream of posts that are not addressed to a Group actor can be mined for hashtags by magazines, and those posts with matching tags get shown in a magazine’s Microblog tab. Any posts that are untagged, or which cannot be assigned to at least one magazine, get dumped into m/random’s Microblog feed.
Threads are specifically addressed the Group Actors. Comments belong to whatever they replied to. Microblog posts neither address a Group Actor nor are in reply to a thread or thread comment, and so are fundamentally detached from the core threadiverse ecosystem.
Thanks for the clarification! Appreciate it.
And yea, I was aware of the m/random feed and it being basically a global feed. I obviously wasn’t clear on what exactly goes in there.
But, as someone who doesn’t find the global/federated feed useful/interesting (and from polls I’ve seen, this is the same for most people), I don’t think the microblog view would hold any value for me or most people for that matter.
Is a proper microblog feed on the road map?
Isn’t that the differentiating feature of Kbin? Ability to both interact with Lemmy. Immunities and mastodon microblogging?
I am new. I may be wrong.
That’s correct. There’s a great comment by @EnglishMobster that summarizes the advantage of using Kbin to interface with microblogging platforms like Mastodon: https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/129425/Can-some-one-explain-how-the-microblog-feature-works#entry-comment-507634
The reason this doesn’t work so well is that Lemmy communities are ActivityPub groups, which is not a feature the Mastodon has really implemented - right now you just follow the group as a user and it boosts all the posts to you.
However, Mastodon plans to do groups in their next major update, and this will most likely make the integration much nicer.
While it doesnt yet support Lemmy you might be interested in fedilab. Its goal is to combine all fediverse services into one app.
Personally I’m still quite confused on how Lemmy and Mastodon interact…
Two different types of software - Lemmy is a link aggregator like reddit, Mastodon is a microblogging service like twitter.
But, underpinning each of them (and various other types of software too) is something called ActivityPub. This is a protocol - i.e. its a method of passing information from one place to another. Just like SMTP is a protocol for passing emails and FTP is a protocol for transferring files.
So just like GMail uses SMTP to send/receive email, so does Hotmail or Yahoo etc etc. And just as Lemmy uses ActivityPub, so does Mastodon.
What this means - in theory - is that content can travel between any piece of software that is underpinned by ActivityPub. And in fact, this already happens. Mastodon users see Lemmy communities (e.g. c/fediverse) as just another user. So they can follow Communities and Post to them. Lemmy can’t do that at the moment because it is nowhere near as mature a product as Mastodon.
The other issue (as has already been mentioned) is that Lemmy and Mastodon (and PixelFed, PeerTube etc) all have different types of content. Lemmy content usually has a much greater word count per post for example. It’s like posting a WordPress blog post to Twitter.
These issues will get resolved with time, the Fediverse itself is relatively new. Lemmy is very new.
Thank you and @samokosik@lemmy.world for the explanation. I understand that the underlying communication protocol is the same; what’s not clear to me yet is how I can follow communities from Mastodon or post from there – but of course there are good tutorials out there, just haven’t found the time to go through them yet.
What I don’t get at the moment is how a Lemmy community would look like on Mastodon. Maybe like a hashtag-topic? I agree with others here that the context and way of interacting within a (Lemmy) community is quite different from those of Mastodon exchanges. So I suppose I would be quite confused seeing the two together. Or maybe not – I haven’t checked this, so there’s half a prejudice on my part there.
What I don’t get at the moment is how a Lemmy community would look like on Mastodon.
I speak under correction here but I believe if a Mastodon user follows a Lemmy Community, the titles of new posts to that Community show in their Mastodon timeline.
They both use fediverse. So it is theoretically possible to view one’s content from another. However, it ends up being a UX nightmare.
Do wefwef or memmy support kbin?
