• LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    The Ukrainian people are fighting for their freedom against Russian oppression. We should be helping them, and your defeatism is doing the opposite.

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        9 months ago

        Doesn’t matter that they’re conscripted, they’re invaders and aggressors and they need to be stopped. We should be helping Ukraine, and you’re over here waving the surrender flag.

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          9 months ago

          You said its that they want to fight for their freedom so we should help them. Turns out a large portion of them are forced to fight, they dont want to. How are you okay with giving money to a country so they can fight a war with war slaves?

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            Yeah, when your country is attacked by a conquering, aggressive nation, you fire up conscription. This isn’t rocket science. Ukraine is fighting for it’s survival, it needs soldiers to fight off the invaders.

            We should give money, and weapons and materiel, to help in that fight.

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              But do you understand how the war is lost, and they are still forced to fight and die because leaders like Zelensky can make them fight? You claimed they were fighting for their freedom, but a large portion of them are fighting so they dont get imprisoned or shot by their own government.

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          9 months ago

          We should be helping Ukraine

          By “we” I assume you mean your government. If you’re in the US your country already backed a fascist coup in 2014 and had been bombing eastern Ukrainians and ethnic Russians like in Donbas and Crimea for resisting. As you’d expect, that meant people in Donbas welcomed the Russian army as liberators in 2022.

          Not to mention blocking all negotiations with Russia because the war is profitable for the US MIC.

          I wouldn’t exactly call that “helping”

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          9 months ago

          Yes, We should be helping Ukraine, the East Ukraine that has been bombed by West Ukraine since 2014. Did you not see what West Ukraine troops look like? Nazi symbols everywhere.