cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/12546096

Gaza’s government media office accused the Israeli army of “committing a horrific massacre”. More than 70 people were killed and about 250 others wounded, it said in a statement on Thursday.

The citizens had congregated at al-Rashid Street, where aid trucks carrying flour were believed to be on the way. Al Jazeera verified footage showing the bodies of dozens of killed and wounded Palestinians being carried onto trucks as no ambulances could reach the area.

“I have been waiting since yesterday. At about 4.30 this morning, trucks started to come through. Once we approached the aid trucks, the Israeli tanks and warplanes started firing at us, as if it was a trap.

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      No they’re not. No matter how horrific the actions of their government, never conflate that government with its people. Israelis have been killed horribly by Hamas, that doesn’t mean Palestinians are evil. Neither population deserves this violence.

      Edit: yes, the Israeli children herded into a basement and then killed with a grenade deserved it, because Israelis are evil. Here’s a fun game: replace “Israeli” with “Palestinian” in that sentence. I can’t believe you guys aren’t familiar with that one already.

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        Israel is a very wealthy nation. Most of the people living there have the means to leave, unlike those literally trapped in Gaza.

        Israelis choose to live in one of the most contested and controversial places on Earth. Why? Because they think they’re entitled to it. That’s what Zionism is all about.

        I have no sympathy for Israelis unless they are doing everything in their power to leave.

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          so i’m guessing you’re referring just to israeli jews? not israeli druze, bedouin or arabs?
          and which jews are you referring to that “choose to live there”? as a lot of israeli jews have been there for some generations by this point. it’s their home (let alone the families who remained since the kingdom of judah).

          and that’s some nice propaganda for israel, but unfortunately israel’s poverty rate is among the highest in the developed world. while also being one of the highest cost of living countries.
          bibi’s economic policies and transfer of funds to ultra-orthodox organizations and private education institutions has only made things worse for most over the years.

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          What would a few people leaving do? Where would they go, and to what benefit? You realise that to leave, another country would have to grant them a visa, and visas can be denied? What about the ones that don’t have the means to leave? The US is one of the wealthiest countries on earth, do you think everyone here can just up and fuck off to another country as well?

          It sounds like you haven’t thought this through.

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            The United States. Israel is an albatross around its neck. The best solution for all parties involved would be for Israelis to relocate to the US, which has plenty of room to accept them.

            The US is one of the wealthiest countries on earth, do you think everyone here can just up and fuck off to another country as well?

            No. Why would you think that?

            It sounds like you haven’t thought this through.

            It sounds like you’re arguing with yourself.

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              I would think that because you said “Israel is a wealthy country” and then proceeded to link that statement to the idea that everyone in Israel should up and leave and if they’re not doing everything they can to leave then they don’t deserve your sympathy for the Hamas attacks.

              If you think that the US will just take in ten million refugees sight unseen, I want whatever you’re smoking. You clearly have no idea of the logistics required to put even half of your insane bullshit “solution” into action. I recommend thinking about it more, maybe reading a little.

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                Sorry, you seem to be the kind of person who thinks only “easy” suggestions are viable ones.

                I can’t take people like you seriously because you need more experience with the real world.

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                  Spoken like a child. What’s sad is, we’re on the same side, but you’re happy to alienate anyone for daring to remind you that Israelis are as much victims of their government as Palestinians are, and that your “solutions” aren’t “hard”, they’re entirely nonviable.

                  Lucky for you, you don’t have to take me seriously at all, I’m going to block you and never interact with you again because I find you unpleasant.

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        The ones that went and blocked the trucks are pretty evil. Not all Israelis though 👹

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          You should look up the experiments done by Stanley Milgram. He showed that “Just following orders” is a reasonable defense, by showing that “normal” people will also “just follow orders” more often than not, even absent the threat of any direct or indirect detriment to themselves.

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    r/worldnews just seems to be a constant Hasbara conversation these days.

    All voices are pro Israel. which is completely different to anything I have seen in my real life.

    Good work Hasbara.

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      Beginning of the Iraq war was worse. You couldn’t dissent. At least with this one there is small voice of dissent.

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      It’s actual unironical bots. Reddit’s main subs are is straight up HasbaraGPT.

      r/Worldnewsvideo or r/Palestine are the real stuff.

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    Man it all just makes me so fucking depressed, why are humans such colossal pieces of shit

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    The flour massacare: According to Bisan who is trapped in Gaza this was (one of the) the first deliveries of Flour to the north of Gaza. since a long while. The IDF used this to massacare Palestinians with.

    Death count is not 104 according to Aljazeera with 1000 injured. The IDF shot at 1000 people looking for food. Israel are Nazi’s.

    Aerial footage from the IDF (not NSFW) twitter link

    Ground footage (dark, tracer rounds can be seen but not graphic): Twitter link

    Biden is the person that is making this possible by supplying israel with weapons they use to commit these massacres. Boycott your votes for Biden until he stops this Genocide.

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      Boycott your votes for Biden until he stops this Genocide.

      Because Trump will be so much better for the Palestinians.

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      Looking at your post history, it seems clear you’re trying to make sure trump wins. This is all you do all day long, blame Democrats during election season, for something they aren’t in control of. Knowing that trump winning would be worse on this issue mysteriously having zero effect on your message.

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        I’m stopping Genocide in the most effective way possible, by tanking public support for it.

        It’s not November yet I’m not sure why you are already defending Joe Biden while he is still perfectly able to stop committing Genocide which would stop him from losing votes to people who oppose Genocide.

        Or are you hoping he keeps this Genocide going until November?

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          It’s been going on before any of us were born, and none of us is directly connected to these events historically, and even those that were have conflicting stories.

          Maybe this is all just geopolitical theatre, and we’re all amplifying the propaganda. Puppets who will never meet those who pull the strings.

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            We can stop the Genocide with a choice for Biden to stop Genocide or lose the election. If he still chooses Genocide then we need to put on an entirely different tinfoil hat.

            Trump won’t bend and neither will his base but the Democrats cannot ignore the progressive who will not be complicit in Genocide.

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          Because all of this noise that you’re adding to isn’t on a cooldown timer. People will carry their beliefs with them to November.

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          Yeah you’re certainly stopping genocide alright. Trump has vowed to stop this war, right? Because he totally fucking could anyhow!

          Also no one is defending Biden you liar.

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            Ah yes, political candidates are incapable of changing their views to better represent the desires of the people. Obviously the logical conclusion of criticizing Biden is that Trump wins and not that he changes his politics to be more electable to a clear majority the US population.

            Lmao

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            What Joe Biden is doing right now is something I would have only expected from Trump. And the defense of it is something I would have only expected from Republicans.

            You’re not voting for Joe Biden either while he’s still supporting Genocide right?

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              I’m voting strictly for Joe Biden without question because I’m not a fraud who wants Trump as a dictator in office.

              This in no way condones what ISRAEL is doing because I’m not willing to lie my ass off and act like Trump or anyone else would be any better at all.

              Good luck with your lie campaign though.

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                If the Genocide stops more power to you. Fully agree.

                If the Genocide will still be ongoing then you are in fact condoning israel. Empty words mean nothing.

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                  You are handing the reigns to trump who we all know will be way worse.

                  Thereby making it obvious that you know you’re a liar and don’t give a fuck about any Palestinian. You’re specifically supporting the opposite of what you’re obsessively claiming to want.

                  Your Lemmy profile is truly fucked. Guessing it’s one of several accounts

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        Not voting for Biden is not a vote for Trump. Telling people they shouldn’t vote for someone actively supporting a genocide is not telling them to vote for Trump. If someone does not vote for Biden it is a failing of the Democratic party. A leftist who does not vote for Biden is not effectively giving a vote to Trump because they were never going to vote for either.

        The liberal fear of the Republican party and specifically Trump is what allows the Democratic party to move further and further right. The Democratic party will continue to move further and further right until it’s only campaign strategy is that they aren’t as bad as Republicans. It’s already happening

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          Not voting for Biden is not a vote for Trump

          Yes it is, full stop. I’m not having the idiotic argument with you so don’t bother.

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            Bullying people into voting for your candidate is not helping, and potentially could be hurting. Unless, maybe that’s your intention.

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              I don’t doubt you’re stupid. But you understand basic arithmetic. There must be a reason you pretend not to… Gee I wonder why

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                Maybe I’d understand if you explained it to me, how does not voting for Biden become a vote for Trump but not voting for Trump doesn’t become a vote for Biden? If I voted third party would this be a vote for both or against both? Could you write out this arithmetic for me?

                Genuinely curious, I don’t understand what you’re trying to to say. I’m not playing stupid

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                  Any single vote lost for Biden allows the Trump voters (who don’t give 2 shits about genocide in Gaza) 1 less vote against their guy, which in turn makes it more likely Trump will win. First Past The Post is a winner take all thing. There’s no 2nd place in politics.

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              Trump is polling higher than Biden, so no. Abstaining from voting is the same thing as voting for the more popular candidate. You need to learn how your country’s electoral system works.

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            No it isn’t, no matter how much you lie about it, the math doesn’t support you in the slightest. A third party vote is equivalent to not voting at all, which is not voting for Trump. Fucking arrogant liar.

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              Show me your plan to get 51% of the electorate to vote 3rd party and you’d be correct. 51% of the electorate will not vote 3rd party, so you are 100% incorrect. A vote for 3rd party, in reality, is throwing away your vote allowing the candidate who is polling higher a better chance at winning.

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                “Throwing your vote away” isn’t a vote for Trump, it’s equivalent to not voting at all, which is exactly what I fucking said. I don’t even know what the point of your comment is. Just arguing with me because you’re butthurt that I criticized your boy?

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        This guy isn’t a trump supporter and the fact that you’d blatantly lie about it says a lot about how twisted you are. Straight up trump style ad hominem gaslighting tactic.

        Instead of engaging critics, you Biden cultists just gang up on and bully anyone who criticizes your shitty candidates.

        The more I see comments like yours, the more I think about sitting this one out and watching you evil motherfuckers cry in November. It’s so pathetic how you’d rather attack people than own Biden’s foreign policy decisions. And you act like you’re sooo much better than the GOP while you pull the same exact shitty tactics they use.

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          You’re actually threatening to watch trump elected with glee so the idea that you care about Palestinians is laughably hollow.

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            Lmao says some fascist who cares about Palestinians soooo much you won’t even criticize Biden. You’re a fucking coward.

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              You “care” so much you’ll do everything you can to elect Trump. You’re a fraud and everyone knows it, even you

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          Boycott your votes for Biden until he stops this Genocide.

          Boycotting votes for Biden won’t do anything because the US government, regardless of what party is in power, is unanimously pro-Israel. Boycotting voting for Biden accomplishes nothing in the face of united MAGA voters.