Arch users whenever they update
yay
That but add an -Syu at the end.
No need for that, why typing useless letters?
Why use many words when few words do trick?
yay
Awwww my GUI stopped working again after an update
I think I never waited so long for so few pixels outside or Reddit.
Me using GNOME on Arch
Why would I want Plasma 6 on a stable release. That’s not why people use Debian
Yeah, this kind of misunderstands what debian is. If you wanted newer bleeding edge stuff you wouldn’t be using debian. Debian is all about the stability.
That said, Debian Sid or testing (the bleeding edge system that 13 will come from) may move to 6? Debian 12 was last year so 13 would be in 2025, so it seems likely 6 will make its way into the bleeding edge versions if people really wanted to use it. But there are better options for most end users than using test versions of major distros.
If you want cutting edge you should use Fedora. Debian does have a unstable branch but it isn’t really tested
Thats seriously overstating things. I’ve been running testing or sid for years and years, and I can only remember a handful of times where anything meaningfully broke. And typically its dependency breakages, not actual software breakages.
Testing is different from unstable. Testing should be fairly stable but it is missing security support so keep that in mind.
Yes I’m aware of the security tradeoffs with testing, which is why I’ve started refraining from mentioning it as an option as pedants like to pop out of the woodwork and mention this exact issue every damn time.
Also, testing absolutely gets “security support”, the issue is that security fixes don’t land in testing immediately and so there can be some delay. As per the FAQ:
Security for testing benefits from the security efforts of the entire project for unstable. However, there is a minimum two-day migration delay, and sometimes security fixes can be held up by transitions. The Security Team helps to move along those transitions holding back important security uploads, but this is not always possible and delays may occur.
Debian is not all about “stability” in the sense of “doesn’t crash”. Debian is all about consistency. The platform doesn’t change. That means if there is a bug that crashes the system for you… it’s going to consistently be there.
For me, it was when stable was on kernel 3.16, and 3.18 was in testing, but the latest kernel was 3.19. And this was an era where AMD’s drivers not fully OpenGL compliant yet. Which meant games would crash. And knowing “this game will always crash until 3 years from now when we finally get a newer kernel” was enough to chase me off.
debian’s neovim package is 0.7.2. Sid is 0.7.2. Experimental is 0.9.5… If there are any bugfixes between 0.7.2 and 0.9.5 that are critical for your workflow… too bad. If its not a “security” release, its not getting updated. You can live with knowing the bug.
“Never change anything, stick to known good versions” only works if you know 100% that the “known good version” is actually bug free. No code is bug free, so inevitably the locked down versions in Debian will have still some flaws (and debian doesn’t backport bugfixes, they only backport SECURITY fixes). For most use cases, the flaws will be minor enough to not matter. But inevitably, if a flaw exists, it affects SOMEONE.
If you actually want to do any sort of complicated computing, debian is not a great choice. if you want a unchanging base so you can run a web browser and processor, I’m sure it’s great.
Debian is not all about “stability” in the sense of “doesn’t crash”. Debian is all about consistency. The platform doesn’t change.
Yes, that’s what ‘stable’ means.
Most people use stable to refer to something that doesn’t crash or cause issues. Something that you might call “rock solid” which implies it’s not going to fall over. Something to put on your server because you’ll get great uptime without issues.
Debian is one of the few places where stable might crash more than unstable, because known bugs in Debian don’t get backported unless they cause security issues.
I use Debian on my servers because “some testing” is nice and the only thing I run on my servers is docker. And ironically, I have to use a PPA for docker.
So for me, it’s a stable enough base OS, but it “too stable” for anything that actually runs on the servers.
This is more accurate
Distrobox
I really do want to thank Arch, Fedora, NixOS, OpenSUSE users for beta testing software for me.
you’re welcome, my endeavoros desktoo theme just shot itself on the head, I don’t even use nvidia, jesus
Made the switch on EndeavourOS this morning and so far so good. I was hesitant to update to Wayland because I’m still a newb and heard there were issues, but my system is AMD based so no problems (yet).
I like it
I think most people complaining about Wayland nowadays are just Nvidia users. I don’t have any problems with it on my AMD GPU.
“Run, my little QA team. Do my bidding.”
In a way, Squidward is really like Debian, if those two are Arch and NixOS. And as I grow older, I can relate to Squidward more and more…
Come to the dark side, join the sid.
no thanks, I reached the point in my life where I prefer stability, especially with my main machine. I love Debian, only because it’s Debian. 💛
Seriously. LTS for life.
For my use cases (audio, programming, engineering school, watching crap on FreeTube) I value stability and predictability over security and shiny new stuff. In the rare cases that things break, they break in ways that are already well-understood, so usually have workarounds or solutions.
In the few cases I do need something newer than the Debian repos provide, I just use Flatpaks or get an updated .deb from the devs of the particular software.
So yeah, zero rush for Plasma 6 for me. It looks nice, but I’ll just be chilling on Plasma 5 until it comes out.
Arch is actually pretty stable. And one of the best things about using arch is the arch wiki which is the best documentation I’ve ever seen for any distro.
My experience trying to solve specific issues on Debian and Ubuntu lead me down rabbit holes of forums where even the accepted answer is wrong.
I’m on KDE Arch and switched about a week ago. I have an Nvidia card and went straight from x11 to Wayland plasma 6. It’s definitely prettier and smoother, but it’s absolutely not as stable. Idk if that’s an Nvidia things, a Wayland thing, or a plasma 6 thing, but I definitely have fairly consistent display issues after switching. I have a btrfs snapshot from right before I updated that’s at plasma 5, so I have a fallback if I want it. It’s mostly just an inconvenience right now, so I’ll probably just ride it out for a while and see if things improve.
Nvidia hates users. Nvidia, fuck you
I just applied the update to my old laptop that has been kickin KDE on Arch for a while now. The only thing I noticed was it took longer to load the desktop the first time, my theme was broken but everything was fine when I selected the default dark theme. The fonts look different but otherwise its the same as it ever was
Currently running endeavour and having fun with the update.
Actually, I enjoy not having to rush to reconfigure my DE
Apparently the upgrade (including configuration) is incredibly smooth. Those interested in tinkering with the vanilla experience have had to install it in a VM.
Lmao, none of the images posted to these comments are loading…
Have you tried updating your drivers?
What distros have more up to date packages than Debian but aren’t as bleeding edge as arch? I’m looking for an in between.
Fedora is great. Heavily modded distros like Nobara is awesome too specifically for gaming but for privacy I recommend doing a thorough look over.
opensuse tumbleweed
I really like Void Linux. It is a bit harder to use if you’re a beginner, since it’s really minimalist and uses its own init system, but overall it’s really customizable and packages are kind of new (it is currently on the 6.6.21 kernel version, as a measure).
