They don’t even “lose money” in either scenario. They just don’t make new money.
Businesses consider those the same thing unfortunately :/
The argument is the suppression of titles is to control the brand. Its indirect nonsense.
I used copies of old Nintendo games and they don’t get a single cut. I don’t see them shutting down those stores that sell them. Fuck Nintendo greed.
Nintendo: “How about you don’t play those old games and buy our new games instead.”
🎵🎶How’bout I do anyway ?🎶🎵
Damn, what do we do now when we see an UnexpectedBillWurtz? Joking aside, I almost typed an r/ on reflex. It’s weird how hard it is to break some habits.
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In the future this link will open an agglomeration of all /c/UnexpectedBillWurtz on all instances
I’ll buy your new games AND play the old games! You get the exact same amount of money either way!
This is why pirating games that aren’t available to be bought anymore is never wrong
big imo: pirating AAA games at all is never wrong
Limited subscriptions can go to hell as well. Sure, I could pay $50/yr for a Switch Online + Expansion Pack (not featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series) so I can temporarily play GBA games and lose access to them forever when the service is eventually discontinued… or I could just emulate them on my smartphone/jailbroken consoles for free.
Agreed. Really though, the ultimate goal should be to enact legal protections for older video games, same as any other historically significant cultural artefacts.
Only reason games don’t become public domain is because of IP license. So just in case the rights holder wants to revisit a mothballed IP decades after the last time it was relevant, the entire catalog of that IP is off limits
they dont really “lose” money regardless
they just dont gain money, which they could have gained… if emulation wasn’t super fucking easy and also fuck nintendo
I’m sooo tired of hearing about bad companies being shitty to their consumers and then watching thousands post about how wholesome and sweet Nintendo is and sharing their new animal crossing themed butthole tattoo to honor them.
Stop paying these pricks and just pirate their stuff.
The problem is that only one person choosing to pirate the games because they think the company doesn’t deserve their money can’t offset the fanboy who buys two collection edition games just because
We have to rally around the blackest flag. It’s a numbers game.
I’m tired of people bitch and complain about not being able to play old Nintendo games, and at the same time make fun of Skyrim for being purchasable on any system you want.
Nintendo is run by old Japanese men who don’t understand technology. They still use faxes ffs when conducting business-critical decisions.
You. Sound like a nice and smart person. Can you send me your 78 character friend code so I can enter it with a controller to add you?
Omg lmao yes this feature is so clunky and antiquated
Big Ninten doesn’t want you to play Paper Mario TTYD. You should be playing Origami King, it’s new and exciting while TTYD is old and obsolete. They are both Paper Mario, they are basically the same game anyway but only until we want to suggest it’s a brand new upgrade to the previous game
TTYD is one of my favorite games of all time and I made the mistake of playing Origami King.
It was a mix of disappointment, despair, resignation… I’ve truly never felt so insulted by a game. They stomped on my childlike joy and wonder like a vat of grapes in Napa Valley. Sickening
For a company who brags about not going to have issue even if they’re not making even a penny for years to come, they sure trying their best to get every penny they can.
No, they’re actually not. They leave a ton of money on the table every time they release a new console and then don’t sell their old games on it.
You’re supposed to wait until they re-release it on a new console with the same graphics for $70, then pay for it then, dummy.
Remember the Disney Vault?
Artificial scarcity and capitalism, the two are a perfect match.
When Nintendo started Virtual Console, I was really impressed, because instead of fighting emulation, they embraced it and made money off of it. All of these old games were just potential profit that they were sitting on. On top of that, they even managed to get games from non-Nintendo consoles onto VC!
Then, they discontinued it, and I’m sitting here, scratching my head and trying to figure out why. Nintendo is a strange company. They have an undeniably awesome product and very talented and creative developers, but also pretty bone-headed management.
They have brilliant, and creative game designers who love their work. They also have managers and lawyers who hate their fans with the passion of 1000 supernovae, and the wrath of 3000 women besmirched.
Doesn’t lose them money, the used game woudn’t make them anyway which is whu they lobbied to try and make reselling used games require a royalty or be illegal for years before everything became digital.
As for emulation they lie and call emulation itself illegal (the copies may be but emulation itself is not) because then they can’t pull a disney and “vault” old games on their digital storefronts and make you buy it again when they decide to just up shut down the previous server when they launch the next console.
They don’t want us to own the things we pay for. They want us to rent them while not realizing it.
They don’t want us to own the things we pay for.
The real answer right there.
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That’s functionally the same thing when what you own is digital and limited to a specific service.
I’m almost convinced Nintendo wants to erase the legacy of PM:TYD. Like it’s definitely the game that took the most chances with the Mario universe, and in the Japanese version especially, it pushed the limits of what was acceptable in media at the time, and would probably be a difficult game to navigate rereleasing in today’s climate. Probably the same reasons we likely won’t see an official Mother 3 localization either.
Can you educate me on what the differences were with the Japanese version that made it push the limits?
They’re probably referring to Vivian being trans.
In the American release, the other two ghost sisters just call her ugly a lot. In the OG Japanese, it was more explicit that they were actually misgendering her, iirc.
Bingo. The issue Nintendo faces is they’re going to anger someone depending on how they handle it. Like they faced backlash when they hinted that Shiver from Splatoon 3 might be nonbinary, and later clarified that she wasn’t. Same when they advertised that you selected your character’s appearance rather than gender in Pokemon Legends, Scarlett in Violet (despite the fact the characters are still referred to as men/women in game).
What complicates PMTYD and Mother 3 even more so is even though they include gender nonconforming characters, the way they are depicted in game aren’t exactly flattering by today’s standards. No matter how they decide to go about rereleasing these games they’re going to anger someone.
If nintendo keeps the PMTYD localization as is, or change Mother 3, it’s going to cause backlash because nintendo is more or less removing trans and gnc characters out of a game that originally had them. Likewise, if they decide to changePMTYD to include Vivi’s original trans plot, or release Mother 3 unchanged, They will facebacklash from people who take offense to LGBTQ people being in any form of media, especially in family entertainment which is Nintendo’s bread and butter. Even that aside, they might face backlash for how these characters are depicted and handled, because these were early 2000s games made by Japanese developers who used unflattering Japanese stereotypes for queer characters. Then you would have people who would want no changes to the localization because they just want to play the PMTYD from their childhood, and they would also be dragged into this complicated and heated debate.
Either way, Nintendo would be walking into a minefield no matter how they decide to release these games, and have probably elected to simply keep them vaulted. Maybe there will come a time where they will be able to rerelease/localize them with little controversy, but as things are right now, it’s a little dicey, especially for games they don’t even know will be profitable.
Aside from the dialogue being darker than the US localization, Vivi is trans in the Japanese PMTYD. I go into detail on what roadblocks nintendo faces rereleasing it and Mother 3 in a reply to @testfactor
Nintendo is the Disney of video games.
They want to take their content and squirrel it away in their vault, so for like 10 minutes you can buy the emulated recreation of some obscure title on some future platform where it’s digitally tied to the device and the online Nintendo store you bought it from, so when the console inevitably breaks or the store is shut down, you lose access.
All of this for a premium cost for a decades old game of dubious quality that only has value because of your nostalgia.
So stop emulating games so Nintendo can decide when they will gift you with the privilege of paying far too much for a game they didn’t make, which has a life expectancy, which will expire when they want it to.
Also piracy is bad! So stop it.
Honestly most people who use emulation probably own a copy of the games they emulate. It actually is possible to legally obtain a ROM or iso of a Nintendo game, despite how bad Nintendo wants you to believe it isn’t. You are allowed to back up software that you purchased. Do most people do it the legal way? Probably not. But effectively I think it’s all the same.
Wanna make money off your old games? Release an upgraded version. Put in the content that was left on the cutting room floor and up the resolution. Or just sell it as an emulator pack with the bare minimum requirements for it to function on the console like they did with 3D all Stars. People will probably still buy it.
It seems legally that the only way to legitimately have a rom is to rip it yourself. For example, I own 1943: Battle of Midway and Flying Shark arcade machines, but I would likely have to dump the roms myself to legally be able to play then via emulation.
I have ps1 and ps2 games that I have ripped the isos for, but I have c64, Atari, and nes games that I can’t dump without significant expense.
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