Iran informed the US that it would refrain from responding to the airstrike in which senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commanders were killed in Damascus if a ceasefire in Gaza is reached, Jadeh Iran reported on Sunday.

The news outlet cited an anonymous Arab diplomatic source, saying the source spoke to the news outlet two days ago. The source added that “If America succeeds in containing the situation, it will be a great success for the Biden administration and we can build on that.”

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    There’s plenty of misinformation perpetrated by both sides. Singling out the Zionists isn’t giving much. That being said, we need to push our discourse to start from factual positions. I bet 99% people on social media only skim headlines and have no idea what the articles discuss or the factual matters of what they are talking about.

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      Singling out the Zionists isn’t giving much

      Singling out Zionists definitely has a purpose because this way you know, they speak with obvious bias and a dislike towards Arabs and especially Palestinians. You cannot take Zionists words serious at all. For example; this particular person made a huge claim about Hamas but zero evidence (no trustable source) and when you just check their post history, it gets even more ridiculous. The person claims that ‘‘half of Lemmy are antisemite’’.

      Here’s proof of that claim, of his: his particular claim

      Finding the Zionist also helps to understand that there’s no reasoning with said person.

      There’s plenty of misinformation perpetrated by both sides

      It’s unfortunately true that there’s a lot of misinformation on both sides, wish there was not but is what it is. I suppose.

      That being said, we need to push our discourse to start from factual positions. I bet 99% people on social media only skim headlines and have no idea what the articles discuss or the factual matters of what they are talking about.

      I cannot speak for other people on social media but, I have been doing lots of research about the entire thing. Articles, books, podcasts and research into the past. I always write with facts when it comes to Israel-Hamas/ Palestinians, I also back it up with evidence such as sources from trustable sources (articles, books and newspapers).

      EDIT: Done some edits because Lemmy somehow messed up the formatting. Should be good now.

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      we need to push our discourse to start from factual positions. I bet 99% people on social media only skim headlines

      The irony 🤦

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        Viking, this is hilarious coming from you. Not once have I seen your comments backed by sources. But maybe one day we’ll see some of the grounding for your justified beliefs.

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          Not once have I seen your comments backed by sources

          You haven’t checked very thoroughly, then, as I often provide sources, always when asked to. Give me an example and I’ll supply a source.

          But maybe one day we’ll see some of the grounding for your justified beliefs.

          How about you provide a source for the ridiculous percentage I quoted you throwing out? Other than your ass, of course.

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            Viking, ive seen you around and I’m not going to block you. This community is already tiny. If I ever post a claim without any backing --apart from the one above which is obviously hyperbole-- I invite you to call me out. I don’t ever want to be an agent of misinformation. But let’s have a factual discussion when that happens ok ? 🥺🙂

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              Well allow me to comply with your request, then:

              The US can stop all arms selling this instant and it wouldn’t change a thing

              Is categorically and ridiculously false.

              Not only are the vast majority of the bombs that they’re dropping American made, they’re also receiving tens of billions in monetary aid from the US.

              As for the next biggest supplier, Germany, they send an annual total if $300m to Israel, only $20m of which are offensive weapons. Contrast that with the US’ annual total of $3.8b, most of which are offensive weapons and you can’t in good faith argue that the US halting shipments wouldn’t have a significant impact.

              And that’s not even considering the fact that many countries, likely including Germany are at the very least partly supporting Israel out of fear of angering the US, which could result in dire consequences.

              If the US washed its hands of the genocidal apartheid regime, you would definitely see many other countries follow their lead.

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                So you’re saying that Israel does not have the ability to shop around? And you’re also very confident that their capital is limited. Can you substantiate this?

                Also, lots of claims being made here as matter of fact:

                1. German sales are exclusively contingent on US sales.
                2. Israeli purchasing power contingent on aid.

                I could go on. Can we do one point at a time instead of the gish gallop?

                Also, where are your sources?

                SOURCES: WHERE ARE THEY???

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                  So you’re saying that Israel does not have the ability to shop around

                  No, I’m saying that there’s a limited number of countries willing to knowingly supply weapons to be used to commit genocide and that there’s none willing or even ABLE to match the current supply from the US.

                  And you’re also very confident that their capital is limited.

                  well yeah, massacring a people is EXTREMELY expensive when you don’t have a sugardaddy country like the US to pay for it.

                  Can you substantiate this?

                  You mean disprove YOUR assertion, based on no data you’ve shared, that Israel has more than enough weapons and cash to keep the genocide going in perpetuity without US assistance.

                  No, I can not, since I am not privy to the details of your imagination. I’m just going by what is by far the most likely.

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                    I’ve provided sources:

                    https://lemmy.world/comment/9198378

                    I don’t know if you’re doing this intentionally, but you’re sliding in a lot of weasely language:

                    In perpetuity

                    So, to circle back to the initial claim: stopping US sales of weapons wouldn’t change much, would it? Realistically speaking. The cash aid has liminted effect, since they have enough capital anyway. Germany has nothing to do with it, since they can still shop around (despite your imaginary 'limited list of countries that will supply weapons"). They’ve already purchased enough arsenal to turn the middle east into glass (see link above).

                    So what exactly are we arguing at this point? Are you just being a contrarian for the sake of it?