Reddit doesn’t actually own any of the content, right? Neither do any of the contributors? Seems like a good way to fuck Reddit.
There’s just no need anymore. Lemmy has boomed, and we have our own content. Reddit is not really relevant anymore.
I mean, the content here lately is 15 year old memes.
A lot of the boom is people that were too lame to get karma on Reddit so they spam dumb things here now and get upvotes because everyone is still in “upvote everything to help the community” mode.
Admittedly I’ve blocked the meme communities in my feed - but that’s not what I wanted from Reddit or I want from here.
Yes, only a few are left visible for me like programmerhumor because I enjoy those but the rest is just noise for me
I think you hit the nail on the head, but personally, I stopped upvoting “to help the community” a while ago. Lemmy seems to be doing fine now so I’m not against downvoting at all either.
The people upvoting those crappy 15 year old memes aren’t against downvoting either, because when I mentioned how terrible the memes were I got downvoted.
And before that it was beans. We have our own rich meme history
the only content on reddit is bots reposting shit… and Spez playing the sad trombone.
Steve is playing with his penis on the reddit front page? And he thinks anyone will pay for that? 🤣
Maybe. I’m finding the Lemmy content and platform features lacking personally. Some of my favorite subs don’t have an analogue here, and the clones here are significantly smaller and therefore have less content. I see great potential though, which is why I think “stealing” content is a sound strategy to grow. I find it interesting also, because there are two reasons people use Reddit: The content and the platform. One of those things isn’t actually owned by Reddit. So Lemmy has the distinct advantage in that there is already a good platform in place, and all the good content of Reddit (and half of it’s value) can be moved over here.
I feel you. I still think it might be worth stealing what is worth stealing, if you know what I mean. There’s definitely still good content creators over on Reddit.
The counter question is: why would that be an improvement?
For me, the stuff with the 3PAs was just a final straw; there were lots of ways Reddit had gone downhill from when I first joined several years ago. I was happy that they was finally a workable alternative that was young and could potentially grow without the bad things about Reddit.
My ex wife is an ex for a reason, I’d never ask my wife now to try to be more like my ex. We can do better.
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A number of people made bots to copy stuff over from Reddit, and that didn’t seem to create any more engagement in most cases, so I don’t see that as helping. I made my account here June 12th, so not that long ago, and the amount and variety of content has increased a lot. Too many memes for my tastes, but the place is clearly still growing. I think it’s doing well, considering.
Very well said.
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Adding on to this: I’d rather see the Fediverse not become just Reddit 2.0. I personally very much like the vibes and communities we already got going on already.
I really, really don’t want the current Reddit where admin allows blatant adverts in posts, racism and homophobia and bans people who encourage protests.
Theres plenty of bots doing that
fun fact, if you block the bots when you see them they go away :)
Back in the days of shopping malls, you could travel and go to a mall in any city, and it would be virtually the same as a mall in any other city: same stores, same (or similar) restaurants in the food court, same teenagers trying desperately to impress each other… all shoved into a slightly different layout. It was kinda bleak. One reason we don’t just copy our content from somewhere else is that we don’t want to re-create this nightmare hellscape on the internet, where every new social network is a slightly different skin on the same content.
Lemmy is not Reddit. Please let Lemmy continue to not be Reddit. If you want to fuck Reddit, do it by not going to Reddit. Reddit doesn’t own the content, but the contributors do. (Read section 5 of the Reddit terms of use; when you post on Reddit, you retain ownership of your content and grant Reddit license to it.) When you repost their content without permission, you’re not fucking Reddit; you’re fucking them.
Help me understand how reposting fucks the content creators? They are simply having their labor exploited by Reddit. They aren’t being compensated for their work, and a billion dollar company is reaping all the financial benefits.
I feel like with all the protests the real core issue, or what people should be angry about was not really hammered home. Reddit is a business and Lemmy is not, right? Reddit’s business model relies on labor exploitation of not just the content creators, but the moderators. Reddit expects these people to work for them, but provides no pay and on top of that shows a general disregard, contempt and disgusting for those people who allow them to exist and make their execs rich. That is what I find most disgusting, and feel like this point was just glossed over by everyone that was pissed off by the whole api thing.
So what you’re saying is, Reddit is fucking creators by not compensating them, but when you take that work and repost it without compensation, it’s ok?
Besides, the great thing about Lemmy is that it’s not Reddit. It has a whole different vibe. I think it’s worth maintaining that.
No that’s not what I’m trying to say. I’m saying that content creators on Reddit are already being fucked. The only perceivable benefit they get from Reddit is exposure. So I would argue that reposting their content on other platforms benefits them. It can also be done in a respectful and ethical way—providing attributions for example.
Because they own the content and control over how it is distributed. They chose to grant it to reddit, and you have decided that also grants you a license, although it actually doesn’t. You are taking it anyway which violates their rights to control their content and who may distribute it.
I agree with you that the users are being exploited by Reddit, but that doesn’t mean that we can come in and further exploit them in the interest of trying to avenge them. That should be (and legally is) their choice to do or not to do.
And I also agree with you that the exploitation is the issue. The API stuff just shined a light on it (or should have anyway, but I also agree that it became just a footnote in the story).
Because we’re not Reddit?
I don’t see how it would ‘fuck Reddit’. Do you mean it would draw more people to using Lemmy/Kbin? Or have I misunderstood? Because that’s definitely not going to happen.
And if you want to see that stuff just go back to using Reddit.
So, you don’t see the bots?
I might have turned that off day 1.
If anyone didn’t get what OP mean, some Lemmy communities repost reddit content while providing link to original reddit post and name the original author. One such community is todayifoundout
Honestly… even before the meltdown, content was mostly crap.
For kbin/lemmy to be useful; it needs to be its own thing. Emulating crap is just crappier crap.
How dare you suggest reposting things from other websites! I have never been so shocked and scandalized in my life!
Wait, you guys aren’t?
Ummm…
Neither am I! Totally! Not one bit… after all, far be it from me, a humble peon, to pull traffic away from the content Spez has claimed as his personal fiefdom.
I think the key will be the adoption of all the sub-reddits coming here and producing the same quality content they do there.
I agree. I think that’s going to be the only way this shit works. I want it to work, but there needs to be more of a plan and effort than shitty memes from 2010. Everyone keeps saying “this isn’t reddit this isn’t reddit”, we’ll then why is the best content here on subreddit clone communities with the same banners and same rules? This needs to be more like Reddit, because that is only reason all of us are here.
I just went and saw the top all time feed of r/all and… I’m good. Rather not pollute this place like that.
Couldn’t it just be under some kind of hierarchy so people who don’t want to see it could avoid it, and those who want to tap in to get their content fix but keep off reddit itself…
I worry about lemmy not giving people enough of what reddit provides and people driftng back. I know I haven’t yet managed to get lemmy to provide me the fix I was getting from reddit, yet. Part of that might be because I need to move my subscribed subreddits over, but for most people that is quite a barrier to stay here.
Don’t get me wrong, I want this to succeed, 1000%, and I agree with many arguments here about reposting can screw things up, but maybe we need to think about how we will maintain our momentum if people are still going to check reddit regularly because lemme isn’t yet providing their fix.
For me, because I’m not getting the content I want, I’m just not going there, but I know I’m missing things and want it to improve.
I know I haven’t yet managed to get lemmy to provide me the fix I was getting from reddit, yet.
I feel the same. The content is absolutely limited right now. I’ve been switching back and forth for a few days, and the content is just better over on Reddit. Even if a lot of it is reposts, it’s still quality content that will draw in fresh eyes. I get in here and scroll through all filtered by hot, and very few posts are drawing me in.
I worry about lemmy not giving people enough of what reddit provides and people driftng back.
I know it isn’t. Which is pretty much the reason for my question. If there isn’t a constamt stream of quality content, people will just stop coming here.
Well, plugging my own ragepost a couple of days ago: https://lemmy.world/post/805180, that and the linked discussion from here on NSQ should give you a good idea of the arguments against it.
I agree in general, though I like lemmit.online. That keeps everything separate - it’s almost archiving, really.
