• Bob@lemmy.world
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    I legitimately can’t imagine how awful it must be to be trans in Russia. Well, pretty much anywhere really, now that I think of it. Trans people just can’t catch a break. I feel so bad for them.

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      I imagine this is why many people that might consider it just dont. It’s easier sometimes to just do the expected things at the expense of one’s self.

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      You and me both, fam. I can’t even imagine how it must be for a trans person to live in the US south - it is just mind-baffling to think of what it must be in other countries that barely even recognize any of those rights or are even outright hostile to the identity.

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        I can’t speak for every trans person in the South, but for me, it’s pretty fucking awful.

        Part of it is my area(lot of old white conservatives). They really don’t give a fuck. I have had to listen to 10 minute rants about gender politics because they want a pink gender reveal cake.

        We did multiple cake variations for Valentine’s. All stick figures. We “dared” to put rainbows on a couple of them. We had to get rid of them because people complained about STICK FIGURES under rainbows.

        I have to make sure I’m in a safe place to even begin feeling like myself.

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      Here in Ontario is pretty good for me as a trans person, well at least in terms of my being trans. I feel fortunate.

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        I’m glad you feel comfortable in Ontario. I hope we can keep it that way here.

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      I have no idea what it’s like to have gender dysphoria, but I’d imagine they’d just not come out. But idk how that works, or if they’re willing to get bullied by like every Russian ever.

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      Like you said, I think it’s pretty awful in the majority of countries with few exceptions

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      most of russian people doesn’t support lgbt whatsoever

      and it’s prohibited by law to promote lgbt

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          Unfortunately they’re right though. The majority of the population is.

          The fact that it’s prohibited by law certainly contributes to that though, and actively preventing any attempt to change it is politically popular.

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        At the very best that’s an “all lives matter” kind of comment. But if you’re implying that being trans is mental illness, FO.

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      Technically yes. Previous laws were also drafted with the help of some republican-adjacent organizations, not to mention that CitizenGo, the dhristofascist org that pushed the Ugandan gay genocide law, is being bankrolled by both Russian and US far-right adjacent oligarchs. Any free country that does not consider CitizenGo a threat to safety, liberty, and secularism, are committing suicide.

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      You mean the previous step? It seems to be what they’re working on now

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        Have they actually got something in the pipeline.

        Tough fucking luck. If healthcare is private in the US, it’s none of their business, the state doesn’t get a say.

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      The global RW fascist insurgency are tied at the hip with moscovia

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    This reminds me how during the later stages of WW2, while the Nazis were losing the war, they kept spending resources on the Holocaust.

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      The scary thing is that it actually wasn’t a lot of resources. Most genocides in history have happened in places that aren’t industrialized. In those cases, yeah it did take a significant amount of resources and involves a lot of people.

      For an an industrialized country, genocide on the scale the Nazis did is actually a tiny percentage of the resources available. Think about how many people you can put in just one train. Even if that train runs just a few times a day, well… there’s some extremely dark mathematics about it.

      The politics of hate is so incredibly dangerous in an industrialized country. Industrialized genocide can kill millions without impacting other priorities.

      Scary to think about.

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      Why are the so many people on this site white washing Nazis? It seems so concetrated here.

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        I’m very curious about what it is that you think the word “whitewash” means.

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          I googled it after reading your comment cause I realized I didn’t actually know what it meant.

          There were a few definitions but I’m guessing this is the one the person you’re replying to meant:

          “deliberately attempt to conceal unpleasant or incriminating facts about (someone or something).”

          Idk why they thought someone calling out Nazis for spending resources on the Holocaust up until the very end meant that people are whitewashing Nazis though.

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            I think the comparison is, in the eyes of Blamemeta, between a thing that is very severe and a thing that is somewhat less severe. If that’s the case, equating the two must either exaggerate the severity of the latter or minimize the severity of the former. So I think Blamemeta is trying to say that it cheapens the severity of the holocaust, not realizing that the word “whitewash” implies that it’s deliberate, i.e. that Acharnien also agrees that Russia’s law isn’t a big deal and want to use it to downplay the holocaust. But I think it’s more likely they just meant to say “cheapens” instead of “whitewash” lol

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              I am not equating though, I just wrote “this reminds me”. They’re being dramatic.

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          Making something seem not-as-bad. Nazis literally genocided 11 million people. Russia is being awful about medical care. Theres an ocean of difference.

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            – Hey those kids are good at playing soccer very defensively. It kind of reminds me of when Greece got the 2004 Euro Cup under the management of Otto Rehhagel.

            – How dare you compare the two things. One was a major international professional soccer competition, that shaped a country’s sports for a generation, the other one is just some shitty kids kicking a deflated ball in a school yard.

            – Well, yea, sure but they do both win by playing quite defensively. Noticing that takes nothing away from Greece’s epic historic win, what kind of idiot would think that?

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        Sorry, what? Are you saying that this comment about the holocaust makes the Nazis look… better?

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          More like equating the holocaust to bad medical care is trying to make the holocaust look better. Im exergeratting of course, but im hate when people call everything nazi.

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            I didn’t “equate” anything. I said that one thing reminds me of another.

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        It’s not. It’s a completely historical comparison. Delusional is pretending like the very clear repeat of history isn’t happening because the idea of modern Nazis makes you uncomfortable.

        "Adolf Hitler was named chancellor on January 30, 1933, and enacted policies to rid Germany of Lebensunwertes Leben, or “lives unworthy of living.” What began as a sterilization program ultimately led to the extermination of millions of Jews, Roma, Soviet and Polish citizens—and homosexuals and transgender people.

        When the Nazis came for the [Institute for Sexual Research] on May 6, 1933, Hirschfeld was out of the country. Giese fled with what little he could. Troops swarmed the building, carrying off a bronze bust of Hirschfeld and all his precious books, which they piled in the street. Soon a towerlike bonfire engulfed more than 20,000 books, some of them rare copies that had helped provide a historiography for nonconforming people.

        The carnage flickered over German newsreels. It was among the first and largest of the Nazi book burnings. Nazi youth, students and soldiers participated in the destruction, while voiceovers of the footage declared that the German state had committed “the intellectual garbage of the past” to the flames. The collection was irreplaceable."

        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

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        It’s not a godwin if they are literally nazis performing a literal genocide whilst literally losing a war of agression in Europe.

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          Yeah I think we’re gonna have to pause the godwin thing for a while. Too many people in power running plays right out of the Nazi playbook nowadays. A stigma against comparisons to Nazis isn’t preventing discussions from degenerating to name calling (the original intent of the rule) it’s just preventing conversation from happening.

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    “Hi! I’m the news! Today, the Russian government did a bad thing!”

    —Every day, it seems

    This comment isn’t meant to trivialize the action, it’s just becoming almost comical how much the Kremlin is taking a dump on human rights.

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      The funny thing is, it’s the BBC reporting. That institution beholden to a party that is committed to making the issue a volatile political football.

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    Sad that so many people live under such an oppressive government. Some people have started hating Russians but I feel bad for most of them.

    They’re a huge country with all kinds of resources. If the government supported the people instead of keeping them under their heel, Russia could be an advanced, wealthy country with a rich culture. Instead we got Mafia in the Kremlin.

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      don’t make the mistake to think this is a government only problem. Sure not all Russians are pro-war or pro-putin but a majority of them supports their leader, his efforts and this mindset, they are basically fine with all that crap.

      So again to blame all russians is wrong but this is also not only putins fault, a lot of russian people are also heavy involved in this kind of lifestyle.

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        Well it’s hard to blame the people when information and propaganda are controlling their lives in such a specific way.

        Manufactured consent is a very real thing

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        The person you’re responding to has also commented “You are obviously referencing hitler, a man who lead his country to the greatest heights it had see in a long time, until the western world decided he was evil.”

        Their opinions are obviously worthless.

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          The person you’re responding to has also commented “You are obviously referencing hitler, a man who lead his country to the greatest heights it had see in a long time, until the western world decided he was evil.”

          Their opinions are obviously worthless.

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      I’m in a better position to know than you, and you’re just wrong. I suspect deep down you know that though; you’re just a bigot.

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          Generally speaking, usually someone who is a mature female. However, some females turn out to be trans men, and some males turn out to be trans women (hence, “trans”).

          Glad I could clear that up for you, not that I’m dumb enough to think you were asking in good faith. It’s pretty easy to answer when you don’t need everything to be laid out in black and white terms because you can’t handle the diversity of the human experience.

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          I love that my simply existing can trigger a nazi like you so easily. You must know your anger changes nothing at all. Just a scared angry little person you are, raving and ranting.

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              I can’t tell if you’re serious or not. I hope you’re not. The fact that you’ve made two scientifically verifiable errors, gender = sex, and asserted it’s only a binary scale, suggests to me you’re not, in which case you should rethink joking about this - not everyone will get it.

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          Biology is more complicated than your poor attempts to draw lines and parcel up stuff nicely so your brain won’t hurt. Transgender people have existed from before you were born.