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    Why is Russia allowed to hold the world hostage? Who right do they have to starve people in other countries?

    Every nation should kick Russians out, block their accounts, and sanction Russia.

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      Every nation should kick Russians out, block their accounts,

      The Russian people are not making these decisions. Moreover, those who have left Russia are probably among the least likely to support Russia anyway.

      What good comes from attacking the people of a country because you disagree with the leadership of the country? This is the same disgusting rhetoric used in the USA after 9/11 where there were widespread calls to kick out ALL Muslims and people from the middle east.

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        Something around 80 percent of russians actually support Russian imperialistic goals. You can’t exactly pity them at this point. The protests were almost non existant in Russia.

        Even if Putin drops down tommorow, it’s likely that the whole Russia expansion desire remains. Shit even Navalny doesn’t want to drop occupied Georgia.

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          Those polls you got your source from are actually polls done by state-run polling facilities. of course poeple are going to say what the state wants to hear. here’s a video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQCNjIHeqU

          Btw, by saying that “80% of Russians support this war”, you’re spreading Russian state propaganda.

          And of course protests in Russia died down, people get jailed for like 10-15 years in prison if they protest, so by fear of getting jailed, protestors stop. it isn’t pretty but it’s how the system works.

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            These stats are more or less what is reported in my country. Can’t fact check everything, since it’s more or less the first time it got some shade. Most pro-russian populus here also support Putin and find Ukrainians as nazis, so this didn’t seem far fetched.

            Seeing different level of protests in Russia (against the war) and in Belarus (against Lukashenko) does show that participation was/is quite little. Even before the war, there were larger protests after Navalny.

            There were a few Russians I can deeply respect and can call good russians, but they are the minority sadly. For example Ruslan Zizin.

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          Where do those stats come from? The stats I have found are significantly lower than that. It is also important to note that Russians who are against Putin and the war are far less likely to respond to a survey asking them about the war. In the survey I found, only 18% of citizens surveyed that were against Putin felt comfortable sharing this. It’s not at all unlikely that many were too scared to say they were against the war.

          It feels you are heavily oversimplifying this to support your beliefs. Even if it were true that most Russians supported the war, many of them are faced with constant propaganda, and it would not be entirely fair to contribute this to any moral failing.

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            He’s parroting Russian state-led polls, which many people in Russia either just hang up because they just don’t want to answer, or say what the state wants to hear. You can see how lopsided this becomes, with many people just saying yes because they don’t want to be jailed for opposing the government. Even if some people do have the guts to say no, the votes saying yes will overshadow them massively.

            And ironically by that guy spreading that poll and notion around, he’s spreading Russian propaganda.

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            I’m not saying or suggesting moral failing. Just saying that most of them are indoctrinated to a fault. Russians that ran from mobilization is protesting in a way, although a lot still have the same problem of “Russia big, Russia Strong”.

            The real problem is that there are desires for neo-colonialism, and imperialism in almost every Russian. They grew up with that. It’s all they know. They can’t be trusted. They are incompatible with big chunk of EU.

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        Because the only way to force change in a country, is to push it’s people to make that change. It mught not be pretty, but it’s reality.

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          You can’t simultaneously call Russia an authoritarian dictatorship and say that its people have the power to change the country’s trajectory.

          Because the only way to force change in a country, is to push it’s people to make that change.

          The correct way to say this is: “the only way to force change in a country, is to push the people who can make change to make that change”.

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            Because authoritarian dictators have never been overthrown by their people? Not entirely disagreeing with you, it’s a big hurdle to overcome for change but it does happen in plenty of countries

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      They aren’t, but they just can do that. International politics is reallllly anarchistic because how the fuck do you arrest a country. Say if the U.S decided to just stop exporting anything at all- no more food and other stuff- all you could really do is just tell them pwese downt doo that, we need the foweign aiwd :3 This also assumes your the leader of a powerful country, which is a rather difficult position to get to.

      In essence, get fucked international politics go brrrrr

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        Except that isn’t remotely true. For example we can set up trade embargos and cut Russia off from all trade under US sphere of influence so they’ll only be able to trade with Brazil India Iran and China. We can also seize foreign owned assets owned by Russians in western nations. More aggressively we can send US/NATO war ships to Ukraine to provide an armed escort for Ukrainian ships carrying grain in order to ensure that shipments do not delay.

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      Yeah and why don’t we put em in re-education camps while were at it! That’ll teach those dirty Russians /s

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      Don’t worry, kicking subhuman Russians has already became a pass time activity in most post-soviet countries.

      Also Turkey should easily uphold the grain deal, since Russian ships are even afraid to leave the ports