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      5 months ago

      This.

      More people need to understand that the debt of a sovereign nation isn’t analogous to that of a household.

      Public sector debt is private sector surplus.

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        Public sector debt is private sector surplus.

        Yes! This is the very essence of our monetary system that nobody seems to understand.

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          The other person who responded to me made a very all written post but it gets a core assumption completely wrong.

          They seemed to think that tax revenue in some way has to happen for spending to happen. That’s why they think GDP has anything to do with our ability to service debt. But the federal government creates money ex nihilo.

          Money has to be created before it can be destroyed through taxation. Spending and back stopping creation of money by private banks through the reserve system comes first. You can’t destroy something you haven’t created.

          It’s sad, really. Economists and politicians have blinded everyone with what I think of as “the money delusion”.

          It doesn’t matter if the money can be “gathered up” to be spent on things we need. We do not rely on the money of the wealthy. What matters is actual, real resources and services we can provide.

          The national “debt” is a misnomer. That’s the amount of dollars left in circulation that have not been destroyed through taxation, as well as the “dollars” that pay interest which we call bonds.

          I’m glad to see at least a handful of other people who understand. Fight the good fight, fellow human.

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            They seemed to think that tax revenue in some way has to happen for spending to happen.

            Noo!

            But the federal government creates money ex nihilo.

            Yes!

            Money has to be created before it can be destroyed through taxation.

            Yes!!

            We do not rely on the money of the wealthy. What matters is actual, real resources and services we can provide.

            Yes, yes and yes!! ❤️

            Thanks for your concise explanation of MMT! I wouldn’t be able to phrase it this well. ❤️

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      I get your point, but they cant just “print” currency so we could actually not be able to pay when people/countries stop buying the bonds or lose faith in the system.

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        No, that is not true. That states sell bonds is a self-imposed rule.

        As long as a state collects its taxes in its own currency there will be demand for that currency.

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          What happens when they run out of people to sell bonds to and they run out of money to tax?

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            Then stop selling bonds and start investing directly (build schools, repair bridges, pay your employees, etc.).

            Countries don’t have to take the detour through state bonds because they can make money out of thin air. State bonds are a self-imposed and there’s no law of nature that mandates using them.

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                Serious question? Money today is nothing more than a number in an account. When a country needs more of its own currency, it can increase it’s account by that amount.

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                  No they cant, that is illegal. You could say they will change the law so that they can do that, but that is not possible (in america) at this time.

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                    Okay, but even if the USA can’t change the law regarding states bonds, it is virtually impossible that people stop buying US states bonds since the US Dollar is kinda like the most established currency in the world.

                    So your argument is completely theoretical.

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        The economist ewww. The limits to how much money you can print is defined by the productive capacity of your country. If you print more money to increase productive capacity then it’s generally not a problem. The debt is simply an accounting fiction at that point.