I had In The House - In A Heartbeat playing in my head while making this meme
sorry for the pixelation in the corner, I used a shitty website which put a watermark there
I had In The House - In A Heartbeat playing in my head while making this meme
sorry for the pixelation in the corner, I used a shitty website which put a watermark there
Okay, so that’s two for Canada, one for “you have to prove you have a job or resources to support yourself, but no specific health care requirement”.
Gonna guess this is a Canadian thing, then? Or at least a thing in some places but definitely not “all the countries with good health care”.
I’ve only looked at Canada and Japan personally, but I can add that Japan also does this. The process of immigrating is to effectively prove you’ll be a net positive on their economy if you live there, limiting disability is one way they can do that.
Well, hey, all I can say is that’s not how it works either in my home country or in the other place where I lived as a long term resident, and I am glad that’s the case. Over here even undocumented migrants have a right to health care, which was not uncontroversial but is definitely the right call.
Yes illegal migrants have access, as well as do everyone else in those places like people taking in during war.
The topic is specifically about people immigrating to those places from a country without soical nets, to a place with social nets, where they can only take from the system and never put back.
Illegal migrants and people accepted during wars, WILL eventually contribute to society. Immigrants that are already disabled is something else entirely.
No it’s not. First of all, there is no requirement to be healthy to be able to be a migrant here. That’s not a thing in either my home country or the country I personally moved to. Both of those place have “social nets”.
I get being annoyed at the places where that is true, but why assume it’s universal? It clearly isn’t.
Or you just don’t understand the verbiage.
Which countries? I bet if we looked through there would be limitations.
I literally moved to a different country and lived there for a decade. I think I would have noticed while I was filling all the forms. I talked to no doctors, I answered no questions and nobody ever brought it up. The first time I got a physical after moving it was the yearly checkup at work.
And I’ve worked with migrants here as well. Hell, I’ve hired migrants. In one case we messed up the paperwork and had to start over. Not once did we check for any disability exemption of any kind.
And no, I’m not telling you my life history just because you’re too conservative to assume that countries don’t just issue blanket bans for sick people to be immigrants, go google it or something, do some research before telling other people on the Internet how the world works.
What countries? You can’t prove your claim without anyone being able to verify it.
Make excuses, but you need to provide the countries or your claims are quite frankly bullshit and not valid.
We don’t need a life story lmfao, two countries. Thats it.
And why are you saying I’m conservative? Because I’m calling out your bullshit claims? lol good one dude.
Because you are acting like a baseline of inhumanity is the norm and refusing to accept the economics of not being a complete dick could be sustainable, which is a pretty fundamentally conservative stance.
I’m still not telling you where I live because I am not an idiot, but what I can do is google it for you:
https://expatsi.com/healthcare/disabled-expat-guide/
There, go be weird somewhere else.
Places with social net for people with disabilities don’t just want people coming in and being a burden on the system.
In theory, as a citizen you’ve paid your due in taxes until you became a burden.
I am VERY glad that’s not how we frame it here.
I mean, hey, yeah, being a place where people like to retire the issue does come up in conversation, but health care is a constitutional right, it is provided universally and even undocumented migrants are allowed to access most of the system. Makes sense to me. You get taxed a proportional amount of what you make, everybody gets the support they need. I have several family members that would likely not be alive right now without that principle and that’s how I wanted to be treated when I lived abroad, so I have no problem extending the same privilege to others.
Yay for socialdemocracy, I guess.
You’re free to go to those places if you can support yourself or be supported by someone else who would be paying into the system.
Too many people abuse the system, and they would need to increase everyone else’s taxes if they just let everyone in. Reality is, no one wants double the taxes and people leaching off the system, even if they would lie and say it publicly.
It’s not framing anything, that’s just reality, you’re free to bury your head in the sand and think elsewise, but all it does it prove how foolish and naive you are.
I’m not “burying my head in the sand”, I live in a country where we have a constitution that recognizes a universal right to health care and I vote for governments that maintain that, even for immigrants.
Our health care is fine, our economy is doing fine and I am absolutely fine with the taxes I pay, publicly and privately. I’ve told my accountant as much, and in the country I migrated to I paid less taxes, so I even gave up some opportunities for tax exemptions because they seemed unfair, given the privilege I had access to and the kindness I was granted as a guest.
You being a bad person doesn’t mean everybody else is or that not being a dick is “naive”, friend. Some of us just choose not to live that way with full understanding of the situation. I get why you wouldn’t want to acknowledge it if that’s not you because woof, that sure makes you sound… not great. But, you know, you can’t bury your head in the sand and think elsewise, that’d just prove how foolish and cynical you are.
It’s the same thing in those countries, that’s why they restrict who comes in so not a million people come in and be burdens. Where are you referring to? I bet there’s restrictions and you just don’t know about them.
I already replied to you on this. I know about them. I’ve been a hiring manager for migrants, a migrant and also I have google and I did check before responding. And no, I’m not telling you the countries I’ve lived in, I don’t give a crap about your belief or acceptance. I’m telling you how it is, you can go look up examples yourself, take my word for it or keep making a fool of yourself online, I genuinely don’t care which one you choose, man.
I’m telling you I’ve done that, there is multiple people telling you they’ve never heard of this either.
What’s wrong with naming two countries if you’re some of yourself…?
Doesn’t even need to be the two you’ve been, why is this question so hard for you to answer if you believe in this so much?
Even professionals make mistakes… why do you think that supports your claims? Answer the question and people can answer this for you.
See above and go away.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/changes-medical-inadmissibility-policy-irpa-take-effect.html
I think there is some thought going on about what it means as a society to discriminate against people with disabilities during immigration.
It seems like the US would have a similar problem with people moving between states that had medicaid expansion and ones that do not. I don’t know if there are any studies on the issue.
Discriminating during immigration based on a congenital disability feels like discriminating based on race to me.