Thousands of Jewish ultra-Orthodox men have clashed with Israeli police in central Jerusalem during a protest against a Supreme Court order for them to begin enlisting for military service.
The vast majority of Hareidi Jews are Zionist. There are small groups totalling a few thousand who are Anti Zionist but live in Israel.
The Ultra Orthodox majority not only supports the state, but are represented by religious parties in the current government under Netanyahu.
Edit: Survey data shown below shows that although Hareidi Jews in Israel participate in the government, are represented by designated parties, and those parties are members of the current government under Netanyahu, the majority of those same people consider themselves either “not too” Zionist or “not at all” Zionist.
Yes aleph posted links to survey data below that shows most Hareidi Jews do not consider themselves “somewhat” or “very” Zionist. Hence that statement. I was basing my statement on government participation. Hareidi Jews vote at or above national voting rates, and their parties (Shas and UTJ) are members of the governing coalition. Anti-Zionist parties (such as Ra’am) would never be willing to join a ruling coalition.
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vast majority of Hareidi Jews are Zionist.There are small groups totalling a few thousand who are Anti Zionist but live in Israel.The Ultra Orthodox majority not only supports the state, but are represented by religious parties in the current government under Netanyahu.
Edit: Survey data shown below shows that although Hareidi Jews in Israel participate in the government, are represented by designated parties, and those parties are members of the current government under Netanyahu, the majority of those same people consider themselves either “not too” Zionist or “not at all” Zionist.
So as a larger community, they’re hypocritical and support the genocide in Gaza.
But some fringe members are actually non-violent and against the genocide of their neighbors?
That makes sense.
But the other person just claimed the opposite:
Which is what confused me.
Your definition of Zionism is almost certainly not what the word means in Israel
I mean, probably, yeah that’s a safe bet.
But I meant you replied to me and said one thing, and someone else replied to me saying the exact opposite.
But yeah, you seem to know what you’re talking about and I was curious. So thanks for answering my questions.
Yes aleph posted links to survey data below that shows most Hareidi Jews do not consider themselves “somewhat” or “very” Zionist. Hence that statement. I was basing my statement on government participation. Hareidi Jews vote at or above national voting rates, and their parties (Shas and UTJ) are members of the governing coalition. Anti-Zionist parties (such as Ra’am) would never be willing to join a ruling coalition.
According to a recent survey, less than half of Haredi Jews outside of Israel identify as Zionists, post October 7th.
In 2016, the percentage of Israeli Haredim who identified as Zionist was just 33%.
Do you have any recent figures for within Israel itself that confirms a “vast majority”?
Thank you for the links. It seems I missed the mark on that one.
I mean extremely few “Trump’ers” in the US would tell you they are racists, but almost all are…