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For two years the dominant propaganda has been : Russia is losing.
Suddenly, we are expected to believe this?
? How is that even related? Wether russia wins or loses, a lot of people (both in ukraine and in russia) dont want to participate in a war, so will try to fuck off to somewhere else.
This is what people like @poVoq@slrpnk.net are cheering on.
Ita crazy how most every post I come across expecting to see people fighting underneath it is posted by this person. It seems they’re only here to cause unrest.
If you prefer to see posts and comments which only regurgitate one single opinion, literally all other social networks are better at that. Lemmy is not a good pick for the echo chambers. Reddit for example seems to have single orthodoxy on the Ukraine war.
Ok yeah but this dudes whole gimmick is posting unpopular opinions without ever seeing the other side. I get having a differing opinion here and there but when you’re whole personality is just ‘what everyone else thinks is wrong’ is crazy to me. I genuinely have never seen this person post something the majority agrees with.
Granted I’ve never just went through his profile, but when I go through my feed and see a post that’s trying to stir up people, 90% of the time it’s Y
I agree that these opinions seem unpopular. But I am not sure if they are. Most people oppose war and even in the Ukrainian war, they support some realistic way of stopping it. Its the job of popular media to make sure that these people feel alone in their opinion and that they believe that most hate the other side. Then there seems to be popular support and funding of the war effort. Good read that you might already know is Manufacturing consent by Noam Chomsky. The sole reason I’m on lemmy is because it still has some realistic community, unlike other sites which just have bots spamming the ‘popular’ opinion. For example where I’m from the correct opinion is to support Israel in all its efforts against Gaza. If one were to read the comments on common articles, which are trying to apologize or shift the blame to others for Israeli war crimes, he would find very strong hate of the clear victims. Yet Ukrainians, all not just the victims, have almost ideological support here. Again something found in Chomskys book regarding unworthy victims.
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Chsos where fascist dictators rule? That sounds even worse tbh.
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Yes people often call themselves communist or similar while supporting fascist dictatorships and the like, makes it easier to say.
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Tough decisions all around. The army needs people for defense and they seem to only be able to get men (are women being conscribed?). But men also want to live. Their deaths would be less certain on the front lines if NATO countries hadn’t dragged their feet for a decade.
The least ghoulish liberal has logged on everybody.
LOL. What are you talking about? Is this an LLM? That response made no sense.
If you can’t understand how ghoulish it is for the western backed regime in Ukraine to force people into fighting against their will, what else is there to say to you.
Because they’d be so much better if their country gets occupied and they’re forced to fight in putins next war of aggression to try and conjure yet more people to keep in poverty and ignorance with the rest of the Russian empire.
You people with your fantasy about the evil west are laughable when the alternative is literally Russia - if the west did one thing Russia does then you’d be using that in every anti western screed you rattle off.
People who still can’t understand that Russia won the war are not capable of rational thought, and are not worth trying to have a discussion with.
Ah ‘we won so why are they still fighting?’ Yes that’s not how reality works.
What you mean is ‘Why won’t Europe and the US just let the psychopath dictator invade anyone he wants and lower the standard of living for yet more of the world?’ But the answer to that is too obvious so you know you’d look silly saying it.
The fact that the fighting is still going on doesn’t change the fact that the ultimate outcome of the war is now obvious to anybody with a functioning brain. Eventually, even the most dim witted westerners will have to start grappling with reality.
What is with the young man who had to defend the motherland in the great patriotic war?
Majority of Ukrainians fought with the Red Army against the fascists during the Great Patriotic War. People of USSR understood that fascists represented an existential threat to them, and that’s why they fought.
Yeah, NATO letting this linger and dragging their feet for no reason has resulted in so much extra suffering, it’s the classic case of trying to appease people with a one second single issue attention span while dealing with conflicts that span decades and involve thousands of complex elements.
And of course trying to appease people that literally just want to see the world fall into chaos because order and the long path to social progress aren’t as romantic and fun as playing the heroic idealist. So many people suffer because so few are willing to actually engage with reality.
