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  • FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
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    Would Marx be opposed to shopping malls in a socialist society? As a transitionary mechanism to communism would Marx not approve of shopping centers or modern market places?

    Call it something like “According to Your Needs Outlet”

    Idk much about the guy but, I don’t think a socialist society would outright oppose a shopping mall. I could see a use for them.

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      Even a fully communist society would need means of distributing the goods. Somewhere you could go and see what exists and choose what suits your needs.

      The only difference would be the lack of monetary exchange.

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      Victor Gruen is widely considered the inventory of the modern shopping mall. He was an Austrian Jew who immigrated to the US when the Nazi’s annexed Austria.

      I can’t find much specific on his political views, but I’ve seen him described by historians as “far-left” and “socialist”.

      Shopping was originally a small part of his vision. He wanted to make an indoor, air-conditioned version of European pedestrian areas. Residences, schools, libraries, hospitals, parks, etc. He hated how the mall he envisioned became the shopping mall. He was influenced by Disney Land - trying to make a planned neighborhood that optimized the human experience. In turn, Disney took a lot of influence from him to make EPCOT.

      So I don’t know that he was a Marxist, but he denounced the capitalist hellscape that his malls eventually became.

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        wanted to make an indoor, air-conditioned version of European pedestrian areas. Residences, schools, libraries, hospitals, parks, etc.

        Coincidentally, there are malls in Asia that actually meet some of those requirements. Big indoor malls with residential condos attached to them, a park on the mall rooftop, clinics and health services inside the mall, hardware store, bookstore where you can read inside, gym, etc.; plus the standard mall stuff (cinema, restaurants, spa, etc.)

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      Marx and Engels were very clear, that the transition from value-exchange, i.e. money, has to happen as soon as possible, because otherwise, the system will begin to reproduce capitalist dynamics. So, as shopping malls, yes, very much opposed. As distribution/leisure centers? Sure, whatever the dynamics of the new materialist situation will favour/need.

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    4 months ago

    Maps doesn’t show any tax office or Karl Marx monument anywhere near that shopping mall