• BassaForte@lemmy.world
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    Yes I understood by now that gender is mental. But now tell me, how it does differentiate from a delusion.

    Because, again, there is a difference between gender identity and biological sex. For most people, they align (male sex + male gender = alignment). For trans people, it doesn’t. Your body will be one thing, but your brain tells you that your body is wrong. This isn’t a “delusion”, it’s a recognized condition called dysphoria (there are studies that show there’s a difference in the brain that causes this).

    We would usually arrange just fine if we would have been born in a body of a different sex. Because we adapt.

    Correct, and humans would adapt by assuming the gender roles of the sex / gender they feel they align with.

    I would do just fine in a female body. I wouldn’t care much.

    Awesome, but there are many trans individuals who realize that they’re trans but don’t care to transition or change their body, and the cool thing is, that doesn’t make them any less valid. Everyone is different.

    Why would I even see a problem in my sex or gender or whatever if I have problems that annoy me so much more?

    Pretty simply, because for some people, the problem with their gender (gender dysphoria) is stronger than problems that would annoy others much more. Again, everyone is different.

    The belief to be born in the wrong body is delusion.

    Well like I said previously, it’s not a belief, it’s a difference in the brain. You might think it’s a belief and a delusion, but science says you’re wrong.

    Some people believe into the bible.

    And many people don’t. I was raised to be a Christian, and quickly ditched that bs as soon as I figured out I could think for myself. I don’t think the words written in a book that a group of people follow should be the key to how people should live their lives. Ironically though, there isn’t anything in the bible that suggests transgender is delusional or wrong. In biblical times, there were eunuchs (believed to be early trans people), and Jesus actually supported them.

    But I refuse to accept a delusion as reality. And I do not want to be forced to pretend to believe into your delusion.

    Besides the fact that it’s not delusion, what is it do you feel like you’re being forced to do? If someone wishes to be addressed by a certain pronoun, you won’t comply? How does anyone being transgender affect your life in any real way, whatsoever?

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      Yes I understood by now that gender is mental. But now tell me, how it does differentiate from a delusion.

      Because, again, there is a difference between gender identity and biological sex. For most people, they align (male sex + male gender = alignment). For trans people, it doesn’t. Your body will be one thing, but your brain tells you that your body is wrong. This isn’t a “delusion”, it’s a recognized condition called dysphoria (there are studies that show there’s a difference in the brain that causes this).

      But even if my brain would not be perfectly adequate for my biological anatomy, then the mind could still adapt. Peoples brains have proven to adapt to virtually anything. Even the functions of damaged brain tissue can be replaced by other parts of the brain. We are so adaptive, that I still ask myself, why trans people do not adapt. We come to this world in a body, and only one. Might as well care for it as good as possible. My brain would also like me to look more handsome, but I am ugly af. I am pretty sure that my brain is rather similar to the brains of good looking people. Is this also some kind of dysphoria? Do I need to identify with Someone good looking? No. Of course not. I have to do the best possible with what I was born with.

      We would usually arrange just fine if we would have been born in a body of a different sex. Because we adapt.

      Correct, and humans would adapt by assuming the gender roles of the sex / gender they feel they align with.

      What I meant was adapting to the surrounding. What you are referring to is adapting the conditions to one’s liking. Something humans do all too often, forcing nature the way they want it to be. That’s not adaptation. That’s conquering.

      I would do just fine in a female body. I wouldn’t care much.

      Awesome, but there are many trans individuals who realize that they’re trans but don’t care to transition or change their body, and the cool thing is, that doesn’t make them any less valid. Everyone is different.

      Then I do not understand the term trans. Is trans not short for transitioning? Is my understanding, the basis of my attitude, a false assumption?

      Why would I even see a problem in my sex or gender or whatever if I have problems that annoy me so much more?

      Pretty simply, because for some people, the problem with their gender (gender dysphoria) is stronger than problems that would annoy others much more. Again, everyone is different.

      I guess this is different for each individual.

      The belief to be born in the wrong body is delusion.

      Well like I said previously, it’s not a belief, it’s a difference in the brain. You might think it’s a belief and a delusion, but science says you’re wrong.

      But while the structure of a brain might be an indicator for behavioural tendencies, the brain intel self and the human mind is quite very adaptable. Growing up in a body familiarises our brain structure with the workings of our body. Repeated tasks endive the creation of additional Ca2+ canals on the synapses. The link between body control and mind is reinforced, the more we act. So in the long run, every kind of mind, every believed gender should and could familiarise with every kind of body.

      Some people believe into the bible.

      And many people don’t. I was raised to be a Christian, and quickly ditched that bs as soon as I figured out I could think for myself. I don’t think the words written in a book that a group of people follow should be the key to how people should live their lives. Ironically though, there isn’t anything in the bible that suggests transgender is delusional or wrong.

      This was not the point I was trying to make. I wanted to compare the belief into genders to the belief into the bible, as to my understanding (and partly my belief) both come from a point of irrational beliefs.

      In biblical times, there were eunuchs (believed to be early trans people), and Jesus actually supported them.

      I usually don’t like articles from organisations that might be biased. And this organisation seems to have an objective. But this article was alright. But as I said, I am no christian, I quit a decade ago, when it came to light, that those pervs couldn’t stop touching children.

      But I refuse to accept a delusion as reality. And I do not want to be forced to pretend to believe into your delusion.

      Besides the fact that it’s not delusion, what is it do you feel like you’re being forced to do? If someone wishes to be addressed by a certain pronoun, you won’t comply?

      I am fairly opinionated by now. I now perceive and believe gender to be a delusion. A harmless delusion though. But one I do not want to be involved with.

      If someone asks me, that I address them with a specific pronoun, then I would most likely comply. I do not want to make enemies. And I do not see any sense in arguing about it. I wouldn’t argue with a Christian or Muslim either, even though I believe they’re religions to be superstition.

      But as I firmly believe that biology is characterising two sexes in most species on this world, I wouldn’t like the right to be taken from me to address people with the pronoun that I would assign to them based on my assumption of their sex.

      I do not believe that “deadnaming” should be illegal. I wouldn’t do it, but I do not accept the perceived reality of my counterpart in a meeting. This of course means that you can use any pronoun you want in a discussion with me. I might not like it, but if the discussion is worth it, I’d go on.

      How does anyone being transgender affect your life in any real way, whatsoever?

      It’s 99% the media. It makes a big thing about the small minority of transgender people. And the politicians join into the hymn in the hopes of more votes. But this constant moral teachings are wearing on the nerves.