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That’s a bit of a disingenuous way to put it, it’s reads to me more that they want to reach out/make official what some people were already doing.
Yeah, allowing enthusiasts to represent the community and get perks isn’t crazy.
Yeah, allowing enthusiasts to represent the community and get perks isn’t crazy.
It’s not a community (like Debian), it’s a for-profit company.
It the community of their customers. That’s who these people are representing, to the company. If this was a paid position, they would no longer represent the community.
It’s the same premise as interacting with a subreddit (before Reddit went insane) and recognizing the mods there rather than trying to force the community to one controlled by employees.
It the community of their customers. That’s who these people are representing, to the company. If this was a paid position, they would no longer represent the community.
It’s PR work for the company. Nothing else and no amount of downvoting changes that simple fact.
it’s reads to me more that they want to reach out/make official what some people were already doing.
So pay them?
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if paying them meaningfully lowered their pool of applicants. I would be very surprised if it didn’t lower the quality of the feedback.
Being an “employee”, regardless of amount paid or frequency of interaction, is something that would cause issues with some people’s real jobs, especially in tech fields, and especially if they’re people who want to encourage their employers to buy Framework in the future.
It also changes the nature of the relationship with Framework, how they interact with the community, and the feedback they’re willing to pass on.
Being an “employee”, regardless of amount paid or frequency of interaction, is something that would cause issues with some people’s real jobs
So does going on business trips for other companies, paid or unpaid.
Going to an event is a business trip if and only if you get paid for it. People go to conventions all the time.
The people I’m talking about would absolutely be disqualified from a paid position and have absolutely no issue with an unpaid role.
have absolutely no issue with an unpaid role.
Then clean my house in an unpaid role. Brainwashing people to accept unpaid jobs for for-profit companies are unpaid workers, no matter if you make up excuses for that or not.
I clean up local parks for free, but if the city tried to pay me for it, I’d probably stop doing it. I don’t want to do it as a job, but I sometimes get in the mood to do it for free.
If I’m in the mood to clean up your house, I might just do it. But there can be no expectations on how or when I do it, and if I throw out that thing you really like, well maybe you shouldn’t have given me the keys.
The important thing is that there are no expectations. As soon as there are expectations, it becomes a job and I should be compensated for it. But if I can come and go as I please, say and do what I please, and there are no expectations on either end, I shouldn’t be paid.
Cool, did the city put up an ad asking people to apply for that unpaid job? If not, it’s not the same.
It’s not a fucking job, doesn’t resemble a fucking job, and if it was a job, most people couldn’t do it.
It’s an acknowledgment of members of the community to open a line of communication.
It’s not a fucking job, doesn’t resemble a fucking job
Oh jeez, I hit a nerve.
Exactly. If I really liked Framework laptops and Framework was forced to pay me, I’d refuse and probably stop posting about them. Getting paid for something makes it a job, and a job has expectations. I do hobbies because there’s no expectations, so I can be as consistent or as inconsistent as I want.
For example, I absolutely love Pine64 products, but I would hate Lukasz Erecinski’s job (their official “community manager”) because it takes the fun thing and makes it work, complete with expectations and whatnot. I think someone should get paid for that job, but it shouldn’t be an expectation for prominent members of the community to transition to paid positions.
That said, I wouldn’t say no to some merch as a “thank you,” but I’m not interested in merch as an expectation of future work. Maybe give me new products early to test, but not with the expectation that I’ll post a review or something (I probably will, but again, I don’t want it to be a job).
Well not “that” official.
I feel like they should at least provide them with a laptop If they’re going to do unpaid promotion.
showcase Framework laptops and parts
I’m pretty sure they don’t expect you to bring your own…
Could at least give them a framework laptop.
Our volunteer ambassadors will attend local Linux and open-source events, meet with other Framework laptop users and potential community members, answer questions, gather feedback, and showcase Framework laptops and parts to those interested. Ambassadors will be in close touch to Framework employees and they will represent the Linux community, feedback and requests directly to our engineers and to our internal Linux team.
That sounds way too close to unpaid labour. I’m all for recognizing community members with perks, merch, and other freebies; but this looks more like soliciting volunteers for unpaid PR.
Everybody was doing this in 2007 for Google, Facebook, Apple. They seem to think times haven’t changed.
I don’t like something about Framework. I’m not sure what.
I’m a big fan of what they are achieving, but if they want free labour they can just eat shit
So they’re just trying to form an official connection with the people that are already passionate about Framework. Nothing wrong with that.
