the Logitech F710 is a solid controller to get if you’re on a tight budget, but perhaps not exactly the type of equipment you want to stake your life on. […] Reviewers on sites like Amazon frequently mention issues with the wireless device’s connection.
The reporter, who followed an expedition of the Titan from the launch ship, wrote that “it seems like this submersible has elements of MacGyver jerry-riggedness.”
Also of interest via this blog is this statement from OceanGate about why their subs aren’t classed.
innovation often falls outside of the existing industry paradigm.
Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation.
If I wanted to can and sell hubris, I know where to source it from now.
“Move fast and break things” maybe doesn’t apply too well to submarine design.
That’s a hard agree. I work in a highly regulated industry and literally every new dude who joins the company says some version of “I don’t see why we can’t just…” and proceeds to describe some moderately to highly illegal shit. Every single one.
It’s wild. I think they honestly believe they’re the first person to think up these completely obvious and simple “solutions” to problems that require some degree of control and complexity.
If you can’t imagine why someone built the fence then leave it alone until you do.
At my old job the director of my department had a poster up that said “move fast and break things”, but he also demanded 99.9999% uptime.
I relate a bit too much to this… agile when convenient as well.
Especially when the previous smaller version of the same design, with the same materials, had problems with it coming apart a few years back.
innovation often falls outside of the existing industry paradigm.
Lol, the fuck is this even supposed to mean? Just say regulations. You know, honesty, with a touch of bullshit at the end.
Something like:
"Regulations are too difficult to deal with when you’ve got a substandard machine which wouldn’t pass any of the requisite safety tests.
If someone happens to die, we’ve determined this to be acceptable collateral.
This is also known as innovation."
The good news is, the hubris is already in a can. The bad news is, the can is several thousand feet under the North Atlantic.
I was about to defend this (the US military uses XBox controllers for subs & drones), but then I saw that it was off-brand. No excuse for that.
Same, we use XBox controllers to operate remote cameras for pipeline inspections and they usually survive far longer than is reasonable considering some of the abuse we put them through. That being said, I have no idea about the quality of Logitech, but at the very least they should have had a backup controller available as it would have a small footprint and be a huge failsafe.
2 AA batteries required. (included)
They forgot to change the batteries before sending the sub out 💀
Or they accidently packed AAA instead.
Can’t rely on the batteries they include, they’re usually cheap with maybe 40% charge.
Man. That’s the control you give to your little brother because you don’t want him to get the good control all sticky.
Some journalists did a story on this thing a while ago and it got lost for about 5 hours. During this time one of the reporters asked if it had some kind of beacon or transponder to locate it in situations like this. Their reply was something along the lines of “oh yeah that’s probably a good idea.” They never added it.
The lack of an emergency transponder is their biggest problem, followed shortly after by the inability to exit without outside help (which is literally what killed the Apollo 1 crew over 50 years ago). Next up, as pointed out in another thread, is that the sub is made of extremely brittle materials because that makes it lighter. Honestly, using off the shelf components for the controls doesn’t worry me nearly as much as those other issues.
The more I hear about this the more I’m shocked that this death trap was allowed to operate at all! It seems on the level of that bear suit guy, super dyi energy but with no real use case.
You want to be more shocked? The pilot was the CEO. He was willing to risk everyone’s lives and his own on this folly.
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They could afford to pay $250k for a vacation, and they voluntarily rode this deathtrap?!
Proof positive that being rich doesn’t make you smart.
Especially when you have to sign a waiver that literally reads:
“This experimental vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, emotional trauma, or death.” Source
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I just hope this destroys the entire extreme vacationing fad… but it probably wont
I saw a video of this submersible. The view was through a TV. Imagine going to the bottom of the damned ocean to look at the Titanic on a TV.
I’ve used the F710 so that our family can couch co-op in the living room. For a Logitech controller it’s pretty solidly built and is of the era where Logitech peripherals were of good quality (unlike now, rip new G503s). I noticed that the wireless range kinda sucked if it didn’t have direct LOS to the receiver, but it has good rumble feedback and I like the smooth matte black underside material (feels good to the touch).
Bu would you stake your life, and the lives of others, on it performing well thousands of meters below the ocean?
I used, and loved, a cheap little Logitech keyboard for years before it died on me. Wouldn’t Jerry-rig it into my car and use it as my steering apparatus though.
I wouldn’t even stake my Elden Ring playthrough to a cheap third party controller. I’ve been playing consoles since the early 1990s and there has never been a time where 3rd party performs better than 1st party.
It seems like a really bad idea to use a wireless controller instead of a wired one. But I guess it shouldn’t matter as long as they have a backup wired controller in case the wireless one dies.
I think there’s more to it than that.
When working at industrial factories if I catch a glimpse of something run off a cheap consumer alternative to the standard industry equipment I immediately question everything. If they’re willing to skimp on that item, where else have they skimped?
Check out this video where the owner shows off the sub.
He bought parts from Camper World!
You take that back! Camper World is a hallmark of quality, I bought all my kidney extraction equipment from there!
Username checks out and concerns me.
I’m curious what the popsicle tray looks like. Does it fit with the ice trays in that little compartment at the top of the freezer or do you need a custom setup?
Hopefully they at least have some spare AA batteries to swap in when it dies in the middle of a match.
For me the worst part is that there is a father and son aboard. And the son is only 19 years old. I can’t imagine how horrible it would be to know that my own son is going to die because of my idea to go on such a risky expedition (even if it was the kid’s idea the father should’ve nixed it).
https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/london-tycoon-shahzada-dawood-son-104752797.html
Will the resulting scandal be known as OceanGategate?
Holy shit. BBC has a short video that shows the interior of the sub and how it’s controlled. It’s a featureless tube with one button and the wireless controller. I wasn’t expecting the submersible from Life Aquatic, but I wasn’t expecting anything like what’s shown in the video.
I think this is how you make a link? Like in wiki markup
here’s plain text if that link doesn’t work.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941The George Jetson approach.
The next version will use a Mad Catz controller
Budget cuts smh
The sub’s older brother always gets to use the good controller.
So is everyone else thinking they accidentally fucking plowed into the Titanic because a controller input got stuck?
Pretty unlikely. It’s easy to dunk on them for the controller, but they apparently carried backups, and it’s nowhere near the most concerning thing about their operations. It’s much more likely that their extremely brittle carbon-fiber hull fatigued (again), their homegrown acoustic fatigue detection system didn’t detect it (or it did and they ignored it), and the ship was crushed in a fraction of a second.
That or lost connection/battery.
The only wireless controller I ever owned would continue any repeating input active when connection dropped, if batteries or wifi died; they could just be cruising at max speed off in whatever direction they were facing, until the motor batteries run dry.
You’d like to think they’d carry backup interface, or even just use a wired controller, but this whole op sounds pretty McGuyver top to bottom.
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What an absolute shit way to die: freeze to death from hypothermia due to the electric heaters running out of battery, crushed to death by water pressure compressing you inside a compartment, or drown to death in a dark unforgiving cold that strips you completely from all hope as it slowly rises and takes your precious air.
It’s barely a consolation but I read that during the Thresher submarine disaster the men would have been killed in 1/20th of a second, too fast for their nervous systems to process the implosion.
