Thousands of authors demand payment from AI companies for use of copyrighted works::Thousands of published authors are requesting payment from tech companies for the use of their copyrighted works in training artificial intelligence tools, marking the latest intellectual property critique to target AI development.

  • Durotar@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    How can they prove that not some abstract public data has been used to train algorithms, but their particular intellectual property?

    • BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      there are a lot of possible ways to audit an AI for copyrighted works, several of which have been proposed in the comments here, but what this could lead to is laws requiring an accounting log of all material that has been used to train an AI as well as all copyrights and compensation, etc.

    • foggy@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Not without some seriously invasive warrants! Ones that will never be granted for an intellectual property case.

      Intellectual property is an outdated concept. It used to exist so wealthier outfits couldn’t copy your work at scale and muscle you out of an industry you were championing.

      It simply does not work the way it was intended. As technology spreads, the barrier for entry into most industries wherein intellectual property is important has been all but demolished.

      i.e. 50 years ago: your song that your band performed is great. I have a recording studio and am gonna steal it muahahaha.

      Today: “anyone have an audio interface I can borrow so my band can record, mix, master, and release this track?”

      Intellectual property ignores the fact that, idk, Issac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz both independently invented calculus at the same time on opposite ends of a disconnected globe. That is to say, intellectual property doesn’t exist.

      Ever opened a post to make a witty comment to find someone else already made the same witty comment? Yeah. It’s like that.

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          1 year ago

          Spoken like someone who is having trouble admitting they’re standing on the shoulders of Giants.

          I don’t expect a nuanced response from you, nor will I waste time with folks who can’t be bothered to respond in any form beyond attack, nor do I expect you to watch this

          Intellectual property died with the advent of the internet. It’s now just a way for the wealthy to remain wealthy.

    • Faschr4023@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Personally speaking, I’ve generated some stupid images like different cities covered in baked beans and have had crude watermarks generate with them where they were decipherable enough that I could find some of the source images used to train the ai. When it comes to photo realistic image generation, if all the ai does is mildly tweak the watermark then it’s not too hard to trace back.

      • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
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        1 year ago

        All but a very small few generative AI programs use completely destructive methods to create their models. There is no way to recover the training images outside of infantesimally small random chance.

        What you are seeing is the AI recognising that images of the sort you are asking for generally include watermarks, and creating one of its own.

      • Zeth0s@reddthat.com
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        1 year ago

        Do you have examples? It should only happen in case of overfitting, i.e. too many identical image for the same subject

    • Mastens@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      I think that to protect creators they either need to be transparent about all content used to train the AI (highly unlikely) or have a disclaimer of liability, wherein if original content has been used is training of AI then the Original Content creator who have standing for legal action.

      The only other alternative would be to insure that the AI specifically avoid copyright or trademarked content going back to a certain date.

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      1 year ago

      I’d think that given the nature of the language models and how the whole AI thing tends to work, an author can pluck a unique sentence from one of their works, ask AI to write something about that, and if AI somehow ‘magically’ writes out an entire paragraph or even chapter of the author’s original work, well tada, AI ripped them off.