Ten. It’s been ten years and the fact that so many people ignore this unfortunately makes the “Russian assets” argument look all that more legitimate. –It is a dumb argument but people really need to stop acting like this just started in 2022.
While it’s true that Russia could just stop their invasion and leave and that’d be that, it’s not likely to happen. I really doubt they are willing to give up any of their conquered land.
Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?
Russia has the world’s largest land mass of any country, and the longest border. And they think they’re entitled buffer states all along that border? How is that in the interest of the people in those neighboring states? Most of them have already experienced the joys of having a Russian boot on their neck, and have voted with their feet to control their own destinies instead.
No, you can’t just place NATO missiles on the border just like the US freaked out about the Cuban missile crisis, which ironically was the USSR just retaliating because we placed missiles close to them in the first place.
Also another reason for the war is that we directed Ukraine to kill their ethnic Russians in the 2 independent republics. Putin complained to the UN but nobody would listen. Also we couped their government in 2014. https://youtu.be/L2XNN0Yt6D8
Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?
History started only in the 2000s for you. I understand.
He and I already gave context upthread, but here it is again.
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard: U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
Robert Parry, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Are you trolling or uninformed? Maiden coup by the US? Murder of tens of thousands of ethnic Russians in the independent republics? Continual NATO overreach which Putin complained about to the UN multiple times?
My favorite pastime is swapping the word Ukraine with Palestine:
Palestinians are not capable of defeating Israel. They need to make concessions with Israel and come to a peace agreement and two state solution. Palestinians should not fight back to recapture all their land. Israel will keep their word they are good for it.
Compromise? Ukraine needs to push every last Russian out of Crimea and recapture all their land! Who cares if they will win, fight till the last Ukrainian!
Can you explain why supporting US interests in the middle east is bad (among others arms sales in “Israel”), but supporting US interests in Ukraine (arms sales, privatization) is good somehow?
Oh so you don’t care about the people then, got it. You don’t care about the invaded people. If your stance is anti US, you are happy. Even if that’s a trash stance, at least you are consistent I guess.
The INVADED PEOPLE? Holy fuck man. Ukraine under our directions were and still are killing them by the tens of thousands!!! Are you a comic book villain or what? To this day, Ukraine is launching suicide drones and missiles at their (own) civilian population in the independent republics.
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Ten. It’s been ten years and the fact that so many people ignore this unfortunately makes the “Russian assets” argument look all that more legitimate. –It is a dumb argument but people really need to stop acting like this just started in 2022.
https://x.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1832894760257991007
While it’s true that Russia could just stop their invasion and leave and that’d be that, it’s not likely to happen. I really doubt they are willing to give up any of their conquered land.
Because Russia just invaded out of nowhere, right?
Yes that is indeed what happened.
Jeffrey Sachs: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
Etcetera.
Well you’re just stupid then
I might be, but lets put that to the side, why did russia invade ukraine?
If you’re actually curious and have 20 minutes, try this video: Ukraine: The Avoidable War
NATO expansion
Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?
Russia has the world’s largest land mass of any country, and the longest border. And they think they’re entitled buffer states all along that border? How is that in the interest of the people in those neighboring states? Most of them have already experienced the joys of having a Russian boot on their neck, and have voted with their feet to control their own destinies instead.
No, you can’t just place NATO missiles on the border just like the US freaked out about the Cuban missile crisis, which ironically was the USSR just retaliating because we placed missiles close to them in the first place.
Also another reason for the war is that we directed Ukraine to kill their ethnic Russians in the 2 independent republics. Putin complained to the UN but nobody would listen. Also we couped their government in 2014. https://youtu.be/L2XNN0Yt6D8
History started only in the 2000s for you. I understand.
Which is not real. I am saddened you choose to believe in it.
🤔
(via this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO …which will presumably amaze you)
Posting maps and call it a day. Classic. Any kind of context is for nerds I guess?
Please dear, don’t do that. It makes you look so painfully misinformed.
He and I already gave context upthread, but here it is again.
Demonstrate a good faith attempt to answer the question yourself. It’s been two years.
You’re the one that asked the question, “Because Russia just invaded out of nowhere, right?” It’s clearly your turn to answer here.
I wasn’t signing a contract to provide a service. I was mocking you for being oblivious/dishonest.
I’m just happy there’s no mental gymnastics anymore about them being the invader. That’s something
Hey look who peeked their nose outside of their mind palace
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What part am I explaining?
Preferably your whole comment
What do I get out of it?
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Are you trolling or uninformed? Maiden coup by the US? Murder of tens of thousands of ethnic Russians in the independent republics? Continual NATO overreach which Putin complained about to the UN multiple times?
My favorite pastime is swapping the word Ukraine with Palestine:
Palestinians are not capable of defeating Israel. They need to make concessions with Israel and come to a peace agreement and two state solution. Palestinians should not fight back to recapture all their land. Israel will keep their word they are good for it.
Compromise? Ukraine needs to push every last Russian out of Crimea and recapture all their land! Who cares if they will win, fight till the last Ukrainian!
Yes because Russia only exists because of the UK giving the land from whatever-brown-people
Russia only exists in its present form because the Russians subjugated 190 other nationalities in a centuries-long imperialist expansion.
And the US?
bad fedpost is bad. stop supporting genocide.
That last one a depressingly common perspective among people in power in Ukraine, including Zelensky.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel
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Can you explain why supporting US interests in the middle east is bad (among others arms sales in “Israel”), but supporting US interests in Ukraine (arms sales, privatization) is good somehow?
Free Palestine, Fuck NATO.
Oh so you don’t care about the people then, got it. You don’t care about the invaded people. If your stance is anti US, you are happy. Even if that’s a trash stance, at least you are consistent I guess.
The INVADED PEOPLE? Holy fuck man. Ukraine under our directions were and still are killing them by the tens of thousands!!! Are you a comic book villain or what? To this day, Ukraine is launching suicide drones and missiles at their (own) civilian population in the independent republics.
Putting just randomly invading Ukraine. No interests, no security concerns, no geopolitics involved, am I right?
Oh so you don’t care about Israelis, just letting the Palestinians take hostages, got it.