• DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    Fourth turning theory is fashy crap written by a play write and a business fund manager (people with no credentials for historical analysis), worshipped by people like Steve Banon.

    Accordingly it’s totally subjective, a guessing game.

    Truth is: No one can predict what’s going to happen.

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      It’s predicated on baby boomers not having hard times. There’s no basis in reality. Not unless one were to believe baby boomers are all predominantly white upper middle class. Not to mention one must believe history was all sunshine and rainbows until their generation (millennial/zoomer/whatever) came into existence.

      Do they really think people just walked right out of high school into wealth from the career factory? This is basically the privileged upper class. Which is the top percentage of their generation. Guess what? Everyone else had it hard!

      So much of current day pop culture “boomer bad” stuff is based on these stupid notions. I wonder how people are going to rationalize when baby boomers are all dead and the class war still exists. I think some younger people are in for some serious cognitive dissonance ahead.

      Apart from people parroting these things. Those who actually have those well off parents are admitting their own privilege. The parrots are too entranced to realize they’re worshiping their own oppressors. The upper class. They don’t know they are the cannon fodder in the cycle of hard times, revolution, and renewal.

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        Most people are referring to the fact that boomers were born into the strongest social safety net in American history and then allowed Regan to gut it for short-term gains. The original aphorism may not be true, but I can’t think of a generation it applies to more.

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          It’s true. But I think the point is that more opportunities were available to that generation. For example, both my boomer parents grew up in poverty. Dad was an orphan. They moved to the city with no money and made careers for themselves. Housing was cheap. That’s not possible today without family wealth (in Australia at least). I’m a software engineer with an electrical engineering degree and I’ll never own a house or retire. They bought houses on public service wages without degrees.

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              Well AIDS was scary as fuck but Australia didn’t have to worry too much about the cold war. Life in the 80s was generally pretty cruisy.

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              MuH AiDs

              Literally an attempted genocide on the gay population. I think it’s fair to say life was pretty tough for them.

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                Repeat after me:

                No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times

                Also where I live there wasn’t any “attempted genocide on gays”.

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                  no Tiktok = better times

                  This is boomer brainrot for it to make a three-item list of modern problems. People said the same shit about TV and even about books, not that I’d give tiktok much credit as an advanced medium in the same way those were. But it’s just philistine to consider it a great societal evil on par with climate change and the housing market.

                  Also where I live there wasn’t any “attempted genocide on gays”.

                  You all may perpetrate one yet considering the direction your country is going in.

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                    But it’s just philistine to consider it a great societal evil on par with climate change and the housing market.

                    I could have go on much longer, and of course Tiktok is not even close in the same league as climate change or the housing market, but still, those times were better than now.

                    You all may perpetrate one yet considering the direction your country is going in.

                    I hate Meloni and her party and if the government was couped tomorrow i couldn’t be happier, but she’s just all talk and no action and most Italians aren’t as politically charged as Americans are. We just are apathethic, sadly.

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      Thanks for this insight, seriously. Because of course, it sounds really scary, and we all know which side of the fence relies most heavily on fear based rhetoric.

      The “common sense” logic feels sound, but you’re right that it’s deceptive, and trying to use some “system” to both read the future AND use it to scare everyone into thinking it’s doomsday every week? When you think about it, gee, that HAD to be a fashy business fund manager idea lmao.