In a two-party system, you’re throwing away your vote that could get Harris instead of Trump elected for not even a blip on the radar. This is at best pointless grandstanding.
Edit: Decided to read a little into her. She’s nothing but a spoiler candidate, meant to syphon voters away from Harris, just like Stein. Cherry on top: Apologia for China and North Korea and funding from China, which alone should motivate any decent human being to avoid her like the plague: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_De_la_Cruz_2024_presidential_campaign#Criticism
How exactly are you not throwing your vote away voting Harris or Trump, in full knowledge that neither is going to do anything meaningful to help the poor and working class?
We can look back at the last 40 years, but the last 20 in particular, when Democrats were handed a mandate not once but twice.
And they’ve used that power to make us poorer, not wealthier.
So how exactly are you not throwing your vote away voting Harris or Trump, given that we can look at recent history and infer exactly what they’re going to do once elected?
I could vote Harris, but my eighty year-old parents are still going to have to drive for DoorDash, in the car I lent them, and if they can’t Harris or Trump will gladly allow their monied friends to take everything away from them. You and I both know it, so all of the discussion about ‘throwing your vote away’ just rings very hollow to me. My vote is already worthless, at least as concerns the Federal Government.
Trump will be worse for marginalized people, trans folks in particular. Harris has a history of supporting LGBTQIA+ rights.
Trump will be worse for Palestine (and has said as much). Harris has at least entertained a cease fire.
Trump, despite the lies that he utters, will make every move to implement Project 2025, which will destroy any semblance of democracy. Harris won’t do that.
I am so sick of the bosthsideism bullshit. Just because they are both bad, does not mean one isn’t dramatically worse. This election is going to be close, and as shitty as it is, the US is a 2 party system. Third parties do not have a chance with the current electoral system.
If you want that to change, you have start local and work up the chain. Not voting or voting third party is pointless until there is a change in system, and that starts locally.
The only power we have now is local, unless you’re a billionaire or willing to commit a terrorist act, both of which do not apply to me. You can always do good with your own two hands, but we can look at the last two decades and conclude correctly and definitively that voting for either major party is throwing your vote away, at least if you’re a wage earner.
The thing is, fascism’s already here for most. Abortion is criminalized in part of the country and will soon be criminalized in most of it, and it happened with Democrats in power. A vast majority of Americans have to work 2-3 jobs to survive now, and it happened while Democrats were in charge. If you have a major injury or illness, you will be bankrupted, and that remains true no matter who we elect. If you’re a person of color, a police officer can kill you at will and there won’t be any meaningful blowback to the police system, and not only did it happen under Democrats, Joe Biden mocked the defund movement in a SOTU speech.
It seems most people want to give credit to Democrats for what they say. I’m giving them credit for what they actually do.
Of course it does. Where did I ever imply it didn’t? But just because the dems suck, doesn’t mean the GOP isn’t far worse, especially the Trump flavor. There are states I can be legally sterilized because I have an X as my gender marker on my ID. That’s the kind of shit the trumpers want to do federally. At least with Harris there is a chance for the people to pressure her to do the right thing. With trump that is impossible
In a two-party system, you’re throwing away your vote that could get Harris instead of Trump elected for not even a blip on the radar. This is at best pointless grandstanding.
Edit: Decided to read a little into her. She’s nothing but a spoiler candidate, meant to syphon voters away from Harris, just like Stein. Cherry on top: Apologia for China and North Korea and funding from China, which alone should motivate any decent human being to avoid her like the plague: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_De_la_Cruz_2024_presidential_campaign#Criticism
How exactly are you not throwing your vote away voting Harris or Trump, in full knowledge that neither is going to do anything meaningful to help the poor and working class?
Are you seriously trying to promote a false equivalency narrative?
I’m asking a legitimate question here.
We can look back at the last 40 years, but the last 20 in particular, when Democrats were handed a mandate not once but twice.
And they’ve used that power to make us poorer, not wealthier.
So how exactly are you not throwing your vote away voting Harris or Trump, given that we can look at recent history and infer exactly what they’re going to do once elected?
I could vote Harris, but my eighty year-old parents are still going to have to drive for DoorDash, in the car I lent them, and if they can’t Harris or Trump will gladly allow their monied friends to take everything away from them. You and I both know it, so all of the discussion about ‘throwing your vote away’ just rings very hollow to me. My vote is already worthless, at least as concerns the Federal Government.
OK, I’ll bite.
Trump will be worse for marginalized people, trans folks in particular. Harris has a history of supporting LGBTQIA+ rights.
Trump will be worse for Palestine (and has said as much). Harris has at least entertained a cease fire.
Trump, despite the lies that he utters, will make every move to implement Project 2025, which will destroy any semblance of democracy. Harris won’t do that.
I am so sick of the bosthsideism bullshit. Just because they are both bad, does not mean one isn’t dramatically worse. This election is going to be close, and as shitty as it is, the US is a 2 party system. Third parties do not have a chance with the current electoral system.
If you want that to change, you have start local and work up the chain. Not voting or voting third party is pointless until there is a change in system, and that starts locally.
You’re partly right.
The only power we have now is local, unless you’re a billionaire or willing to commit a terrorist act, both of which do not apply to me. You can always do good with your own two hands, but we can look at the last two decades and conclude correctly and definitively that voting for either major party is throwing your vote away, at least if you’re a wage earner.
The thing is, fascism’s already here for most. Abortion is criminalized in part of the country and will soon be criminalized in most of it, and it happened with Democrats in power. A vast majority of Americans have to work 2-3 jobs to survive now, and it happened while Democrats were in charge. If you have a major injury or illness, you will be bankrupted, and that remains true no matter who we elect. If you’re a person of color, a police officer can kill you at will and there won’t be any meaningful blowback to the police system, and not only did it happen under Democrats, Joe Biden mocked the defund movement in a SOTU speech.
It seems most people want to give credit to Democrats for what they say. I’m giving them credit for what they actually do.
If you don’t think those things will get substantially worse, and substantially faster under Trump, the you have played yourself
Does it not bother you that they all happened and got worse under Democrats?
Of course it does. Where did I ever imply it didn’t? But just because the dems suck, doesn’t mean the GOP isn’t far worse, especially the Trump flavor. There are states I can be legally sterilized because I have an X as my gender marker on my ID. That’s the kind of shit the trumpers want to do federally. At least with Harris there is a chance for the people to pressure her to do the right thing. With trump that is impossible