The HELLDIVERS™©®³ 2 EULA is a god damn URL
Bonus rant: the webpage is one of those death row worthy websites that forces you into the localization it determines based on your IP address, rather than using the HTTP header that has been specifically defined for that purpose.
The header defines the language, but laws follow political borders, so it makes sense. E.g. which country’s eula would you show for a German speaker Germany, Austria or Switzerland?
Language specifiers include country level variants - de-DE, de-AT, de-CH
I have my locales set on en-UK because I prefer to have English versions, easier to troubleshoot problems
I wish I could set it as en-FR for other things, like metric system and 24h clock, but you can’t
You can set that up separately, override
LC_TIME: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale It’s Arch wiki but this is usually the same for any other distroLol we aren’t in a Linux sub but nice shout
Sir, this is Lemmy, the default os is Linux here.
I checked the post history of @whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works and I saw they commented once in linuxmemes, so I assumed it’s about Linux. Also on Windows it’s much more easier to change this, there is another dropdown literally next to the language selector.
You’re right, I’m on linux, I’ll try it out
Afaik Bayern German is closer to Austrian German, than Hochdeutch. Hungarian doesn’t have that kind of variants because the language is the same everywhere, but 1 million Hungarians live in neighbouring countries.
Do you expect every South American user to set that up correctly? What about languages without country, I guess you show the spanish version to basques living in France?
And I could continue if you want.
As far as the content of the EULA, sure, use the laws of the request’s IP address; the rest of the website, however, does not allow you to select a different localization, only the place of origin.
Furthermore, rarely do I see EULAs that aren’t written in English, and it’s not like the EULA in question is not a generic one translated for my country:
[…] [non] influiscono su eventuali garanzie o garanzie legali dell’utente in qualità di consumatore ai sensi delle leggi locali applicabili (ad esempio, diritti dell’utente in caso di malfunzionamento del Software)
Non-lawyerly translation:
[…] [do not] affect the legal rights of the user as a consumer accoring to local applicable laws (for example, the rights of the user in case of Software malfunction)… which means either someone bothered localizing a generic EULA, or that excerpt is the legal version of “unless it’s illegal idk im not a lawyer”.
It is translated, and the link correctly redirected me for my language, but I use the official language of the country I live in.
You can change the language if you scroll down, in the bottom left corner.
You make a compelling case, however
Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5What is that?
It’s a part of the header sent with every internet request. Standard thing to identify the user’s language so you know which version to send
Wouldn’t work for me: I’m French and I live in France, but all my devices are set to en_US.
I’m Italian and live in Boot, all my devices are set to en_US and the websites that respect Accept-Language all work for me…
Yeah but if the EULA is different from one country to another, they’d want me to see the French version and not the US one.
I thought so too at first, but my version seems to be made for multiple countries (even if it’s not equally binding), so I assume the same is true for East-European countries;
then again, Snoy is notoriously stingy with countries allowed to have PSN accounts, maybe they do have country-tailored licenses, and use vague language such as “accoring to local applicable laws” only to muddy the waters in case they do get in trouble.
Or maybe their web devs just underpaid | micromanaged | burned out | lazy.
I bet you could argue in court that the EULA is null and void, because you can’t be reasonably expected to copy that link into a browser to read it
You can not, in fact, copy that link - I had to type it manually. It’s relatively short and human-readable, but still…
Devil’s advocate: I wouldn’t accuse Sony (or friends) of intentionally making the text unselectable, that’s on the Steam client.
Still, Steam probably has some clause in their developer agreement where they say that’s not on them.
Yeah, I don’t blame Steam, I don’t expect them to foresee publishers specifying EULAs as “idk google it m8”.
… actually, no, I do blame Steam, what reason is there to prevent copying EULAs? Are they protected by copyright too now?
More just indicative of the hostile posture of corporations
“Hostile posture”
I really like that phrase.
However, the companies quite legitimately use the legal means available to them and what is possible is also done. From this point of view, the blame should rather be placed on the legal situation and politics, as these are what make this legally possible in the first place.
If the agreement to play a game needs a whole website, then I say the problem is 100% on the game developer.
I’d say it’s 95% on the publisher, with a large error margin on how shady the intentions of the actual developers are - HD2 is unlikely to be one of those cases.
The EULA isn’t null and void, but it’s pretty meaningless. Not because you can’t reasonably be expected to copy that link into a browser to read it, but because there’s no indication that you should or even must do that.
The EULA contains no terms, it doesn’t contain any wording saying what you can or can’t do. It doesn’t say what your rights are. It just contains something that looks like a URL. So, you’re still bound by the terms of the EULA (as much as you’re bound by any EULA) but the EULA doesn’t permit or forbid anything. It’s effectively the same as if it were blank.
Modify your host and redirect the URL > 127.0.0.1. software without license:D
The site at the end of that URL will set a cookie. How else would such a mechanism be functional at all? A call to steams naviagtionTiming api confirming the last page load and nothing else at all? Hard to imagine a product manager agreeing to such a pointless exchange. So it cant be redirected to an ip, which I assume you mean is running its own webserver on loopback:443. It also implies the mechanism to verify allows cross site scripting, at least to that one other domain.
Yes, I accept that that is a URL.
I have read the URL in it’s entirety. It’s not an agreement. This query is invalid.
“I read the URL. It was not very informative.”
Technically, if you’re internet is down or finicky, you could be simply agreeing to a 404 error.
Ultra technically, you’re agreeing to the literal URL. So essentially no terms.
I’m not a lawyer but given that a large company with adequate resources is doing this, I would interpret it as the terms.
You aren’t internet.
You don’t know me! /s
Somebody up at Sony had a Jira ticket to update all the eulas and it listed the URLs for each one, instead of going to the URLs and putting the content in each one of the eulas they just slaped the URLs in.
Edit: clarity
I feel like this is an attempt at EULA roofying. I think it’s a way for the user to not be notified every time they make a change to it. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) steam notifies you every time the EULA changes, but since the license is on their website, they can change it without changing the url and notifying the user
There’s no way it isn’t EULA roofying, I just hope Sony doesn’t start murdering American wives too…
My wife just got the exact same pop up while playing God of War: Ragnarok. Weirdly though, she’d been playing it for a week before they sent this.
It’s one of the “I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it any further” license changes that are popping up as of late.
Though, that topic is way more whan “mildly” infuriating.
That URL is asking to ddos’ed
LOLOL
