This is the first time I’m seeing a way to host a full Bluesky network, I think. It seems like a big step towards full federation beyond appviews and personal data servers.
There is already a fediverse twitalike called mastodon. I don’t understand why anyone here cares about bluesky.
Because it has the users Mastodon lacks.
By that logic we should also connect up with facebook and 4chan, not to mention twitter itself. bsky is just another one of those platforms from what I can tell. It is fairly new so not yet blatantly evil, but give it time. We here are supposed to know better.
By that logic we should be happy gazing at our own navels, shouting to the void, looking at empty pages.
Navels, but federated!
Because mastodon is the Linux of social media. One day it will be ready for the average user…
Because it doesn’t have search (at least my instance doesn’t), doesn’t show engagement so the whole thing feels empty like people are posting into the void
If the problem is fixable technical shortcomings, why not fix them instead of throwing up our hands and surrendering?
As a Linux user since 2007 I feel a little dirty uttering this phrase, but:
Because not everyone is a developer.
You don’t have to be a developer to use Lemmy, yet it has similar features to reddit including search. Maybe there are sociological issues in growing its userbase, but not serious technical ones, as Usenet showed 40 years ago.
It sounds like mastodon still has technical issues . If Lemmy’s were solvable, mastodon’s are too. Otherwise, how did mastodon get built in the first place?
Just clarifying because I feel we’re talking past each other:
You asked the folks in this discussion:
If the problem is fixable technical shortcomings, why not fix them instead of throwing up our hands and surrendering?
to which I said
Because not everyone is a developer.
to which you said
You don’t have to be a developer to use Lemmy
True. But that’s not what where we’re at in the discussion.
It sounds like mastodon still has technical issues . If Lemmy’s were solvable, mastodon’s are too. Otherwise, how did mastodon get built in the first place?
I’m quite sure they are solvable, but likely not by the folks complaining about the technical issues and choosing to use other services like bluesky. Because not everyone is a developer.
So in other words, I think your musing out loud about why don’t we solve the issues instead of giving up and using something else is being directed to the wrong people.
Not showing engagement is a choice, they don’t want people to interact with the most popular things
But everyone just wants Twitter, not someone’s ideas of what social media should be
Because the protocol allows to decentralize each part, unlike fediverse
Is there any non-Bluesky server people can register to?
People here need to realize that 90% of the microbloggers don’t give a fuck about decentralization or FOSS. They want something that works and doesn’t force them into a ketamine fuled nazi oligarchy delirium. Mastodon doesn’t work for normal people. It kind of works if you’re a FOSS nerd or some kind of fediverse idealist. (It works for me, because it doesn’t drag me into endless flame wars and I’m almost only following FOSS accounts).
My experience with Lemmy is that it is much more functional as in “Reddit replacement”. There are of course super few users, but it feels active and engaging (for better or worse). So in theory, maybe it could be a replacement.
But Mastodon has never been a “Twitter replacement”. It feels more like a fancy RSS client. Search, feeds and interactions just doesn’t work very well.
There are several reasons why Mastodon doesn’t work for normal people, but the biggest one is, honestly, Mastodon users. People have shown themselves to be rather inventive in the face of technical limitations, or they’re willing to put up with toxic people for the sake of a great user experience, but you need the people who show up in the space to not experience both negatives.
A lot of Mastodon’s UX is really frustrating, in large part because Mastodon tries to disguise the fact that everyone’s using different websites. People would be a lot more forgiving of the jankiness of federation if they truly understood that what they’re doing is the equivalent of talking to Facebook users from Twitter. But the UI of Mastodon, the language of Mastodon, the layout of Mastodon, the features of Mastodon, and even the ‘marketing’ of Mastodon all try to make it look like the @website.com at the end of everyone’s name is just some frilly flair.
Lemmy has some similar issues, frankly, though not nearly as bad. And Lemmy is a space where I think we will see the idea of talking to people across different websites will really be treated as more core to the culture of the space, because Lemmy isn’t really going out of its way to hide the nature of the space as much as Mastodon is.
Still, I wish the hosting websites were treated as first-class citizens by Lemmy itself, rather than as just the url the ‘communities’ are taking up space on.
it’s going to be a merrier once the dot world team adopts and runs it.
just like lemmy.
- Seems like it got removed…
works on my end
Oh weird. When I click the link from my client it goes to a 404, but if I copy/paste the url into my browser it works
