Lots of people consider only their commute. They just don’t complain about… Making it to work OK? Or don’t announce it? The frequency of 200+ mile trips is vastly overestimated by anti-EV people in both terms of how often they do such trips and how many more people live in dense, urban areas. Lots of people already have shitty, dedicated commuter cars they wouldn’t want to sit in for more than an hour as it is. A half-dead 2011 Leaf would still cover my 40-mile round trip. Back when I daily’d a Geo Tracker, I’d take my spouse’s normal gas sedan if we had a trip. Or my weekend gas car. The average number of vehicles in US households that own cars is 2.3 cars. An EV can be slotted into most households without any real change.
The frequency of 200+ mile trips is vastly overestimated by anti-EV people
The frequency is irrelevant. Again, if you want to go on a single trip, literally ever, in the entire time you ever own that vehicle, it needs to be able to make that trip, and it needs to be able to do it in a reasonable amount of time.
A half-dead 2011 Leaf would still cover my 40-mile round trip.
If you only ever drive back and forth to work, then I feel really really sorry for you, but you are an extreme minority in that sense.
If you have a garage or place to easily charge the EV when at home or work, the amount of time saved over the life of the car never having to go to a gas station is dramatically more than the amount of time spent charging an EV on a road trip.
if you want to go on a single trip, literally ever
Exactly.
We do a road trip about once/year, and our trips are long enough that renting a car for that specific trip is impractical.
We have two cars, a hybrid commuter (hopefully an EV soon) and an ICE family car (hopefully an EV soon). That family car isn’t going to be an EV until it can do >500 miles/charge, especially if refuels take >20 min. We rarely go that far, but when we do, we need the range because our trips are often >800 miles in a single day (usually only one actual stop for food, we pack lunches). Yeah, that trip isn’t very frequent, but it does happen and there’s no way I’m spending 2 hours of the trip waiting for my battery to recharge.
Our commuter, however, can absolutely be an EV, because the furthest it will ever need to go is about 100 miles in a single day (25 miles to work, 20 miles to the airport, 35 miles back home, and maybe a stop at a store). But it needs to be able to do that in winter as well as summer, and after a few years of ownership, so 150-200 miles is a better range.
You’re an excellent case for my point. Most car-owning households in the US have slightly more than 2 cars. An EV covers your needs 335 days of the year and a gas car covers the other 30 days, yet people act like that’s why they need a 7 seat suv every day. I plugin hybrid will be my next move when I stop picking up lumber every weekend and put my little trailer back in use for the once a month “haul”
Yes, one EV can work, but only as a second vehicle.
We’re actually trying to downsize from a minivan (we have three kids), to a 5-seater SUV for the family car. The minivan is super convenient, but fuel is expensive (and pollutes) and we both hate driving it. Unfortunately, most smaller SUVs have very little towing capacity, so we need to find something just big enough to tow what we need, but not so big that we lose all fuel efficiency.
I just said I’ll use one of the 2 other gas cars when needed and didn’t even mention the bikes, but OK, you do you, ignore everything I said about having multiple cars because you’re mated to yours for life or something. You speak for the world. You’re the face of the majority. There’s definitely not an actual silent majority of people who don’t give a shit about cars, don’t talk about cars, treat cars as a costly appliance, and keep buying EVs for their boring, sub-100 mile commutes.
Lots of people consider only their commute. They just don’t complain about… Making it to work OK? Or don’t announce it? The frequency of 200+ mile trips is vastly overestimated by anti-EV people in both terms of how often they do such trips and how many more people live in dense, urban areas. Lots of people already have shitty, dedicated commuter cars they wouldn’t want to sit in for more than an hour as it is. A half-dead 2011 Leaf would still cover my 40-mile round trip. Back when I daily’d a Geo Tracker, I’d take my spouse’s normal gas sedan if we had a trip. Or my weekend gas car. The average number of vehicles in US households that own cars is 2.3 cars. An EV can be slotted into most households without any real change.
No they don’t.
The frequency is irrelevant. Again, if you want to go on a single trip, literally ever, in the entire time you ever own that vehicle, it needs to be able to make that trip, and it needs to be able to do it in a reasonable amount of time.
If you only ever drive back and forth to work, then I feel really really sorry for you, but you are an extreme minority in that sense.
If you have a garage or place to easily charge the EV when at home or work, the amount of time saved over the life of the car never having to go to a gas station is dramatically more than the amount of time spent charging an EV on a road trip.
I don’t understand what that has to do with anything?
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Exactly.
We do a road trip about once/year, and our trips are long enough that renting a car for that specific trip is impractical.
We have two cars, a hybrid commuter (hopefully an EV soon) and an ICE family car (hopefully an EV soon). That family car isn’t going to be an EV until it can do >500 miles/charge, especially if refuels take >20 min. We rarely go that far, but when we do, we need the range because our trips are often >800 miles in a single day (usually only one actual stop for food, we pack lunches). Yeah, that trip isn’t very frequent, but it does happen and there’s no way I’m spending 2 hours of the trip waiting for my battery to recharge.
Our commuter, however, can absolutely be an EV, because the furthest it will ever need to go is about 100 miles in a single day (25 miles to work, 20 miles to the airport, 35 miles back home, and maybe a stop at a store). But it needs to be able to do that in winter as well as summer, and after a few years of ownership, so 150-200 miles is a better range.
You’re an excellent case for my point. Most car-owning households in the US have slightly more than 2 cars. An EV covers your needs 335 days of the year and a gas car covers the other 30 days, yet people act like that’s why they need a 7 seat suv every day. I plugin hybrid will be my next move when I stop picking up lumber every weekend and put my little trailer back in use for the once a month “haul”
Yes, one EV can work, but only as a second vehicle.
We’re actually trying to downsize from a minivan (we have three kids), to a 5-seater SUV for the family car. The minivan is super convenient, but fuel is expensive (and pollutes) and we both hate driving it. Unfortunately, most smaller SUVs have very little towing capacity, so we need to find something just big enough to tow what we need, but not so big that we lose all fuel efficiency.
I just said I’ll use one of the 2 other gas cars when needed and didn’t even mention the bikes, but OK, you do you, ignore everything I said about having multiple cars because you’re mated to yours for life or something. You speak for the world. You’re the face of the majority. There’s definitely not an actual silent majority of people who don’t give a shit about cars, don’t talk about cars, treat cars as a costly appliance, and keep buying EVs for their boring, sub-100 mile commutes.
I don’t speak for the world, facts do. You are not a “silent majority”. You are an extreme minority.